November+7th,+2011


 * **Username** || **Time** || **Status** ||
 * davidwees || 20:02 || We could always use more help in setting topics and advertising the chats. #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 20:02 || It is our job to dig deeper with expectation of learning - Blooms, etc. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 20:02 || Thank you all for attending our #BCed chat. Let either myself or @MrWejr know if you'd like to help us moderate these chats. ||
 * DMS_Principal || 20:01 || If you were graded on the average from the first time you sat behind the wheel of a car until the final drivers test-Would you pass? #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 20:01 || RT @stumpteacher: @davidwees @mnprincipal Bingo...lots of kids have facts memorized but in reality "know" very little. #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 20:01 || #bced nice chatting w you all! Until next time! ||
 * lovedrummin || 20:01 || RT @darcymullin: @akevy613 well said.The focus of any assessment or check in should plan for growth and work to motivate.Agree grades have opp. effect. #bced ||
 * amnewish || 20:01 || @DataDiva let's hope not! Butler's research resonates with me...#bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 20:01 || @davidwees @mnprincipal Bingo...lots of kids have facts memorized but in reality "know" very little. #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 20:01 || @MrWejr I think that's the "game of school" kids have learned to play. A game we need to accidently lose behind the couch. #bced ||
 * teachingtammy || 20:01 || RT @johnnybevacqua: I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced ||
 * TraceyTeaches || 20:01 || RT @KTVee: writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 20:01 || @MrWejr Sorry, I needed to be an "active" learner tonight. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 20:01 || @akevy613 well said.The focus of any assessment or check in should plan for growth and work to motivate.Agree grades have opp. effect. #bced ||
 * raysadad || 20:01 || RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 20:01 || .@MrWejr I wish I knew. One of my colleagues can't stand my assessment practices. Two others just don't want to know. #bced ||
 * johnnybevacqua || 20:00 || Make it a policy issue RT @MrWejr: I am still stuck on the "how do we get AFL into more classrooms"... maybe another #bced chat topic?" ||
 * davidwees || 20:00 || I'm taking this away: We had a lot of passionate people about assessment and learning out tonight! #BCed ||
 * mnprincipal || 20:00 || “@darcymullin: @mrwejr agreed! but sometimes the kids miss what their parents yell from the stands :-) #bced”< #classic ||
 * MrWejr || 20:00 || @lovedrummin you are the best lurker EVER! haha #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 20:00 || @stumpteacher @Akevy613 @MrWejr grades and summative assessments aren't like salt and pepper. Can have your pep with no salt. #bced ||
 * javafest || 20:00 || Agree. I sympathise tho b/c I sometimes feel the same way. @misssball @Wielinga1 Re: A challenge b/c stdnts not used to it. #bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 20:00 || @mnprincipal @davidwees Yes, you need those facts as a basis...but testing those facts out of context is of no value. #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:59 || #BCed I took away: need to explore alternatives for r kids, empower them with choices, let them know the why, reflect more as a teacher. ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:59 || This was a great topic that could probably be continued next week! #bced ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:59 || @DataDiva @MrWejr and neither does singing the alphabet song indicate an ability to recognize letters #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:59 || @mnprincipal @stumpteacher Note you said "understanding" and not "memorizing" #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:59 || RT @darcymullin: RT @8rinaldi: @darcymullin @stumpteacher real learning comes from applying the knowledge that students have acquired. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:59 || @DataDiva oh, I know that... but it is the students who do the summative and then move on as if it is over #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:59 || Most of the time @MrWejr and I have to just make up topics b/c we get hardly any suggestions! #BCed ||
 * mnprincipal || 19:59 || @stumpteacher @davidwees partially agree but understanding basic facts in reading (sight words) and math (# sense) can help fluency. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:59 || RT @8rinaldi: @darcymullin @stumpteacher real learning comes from applying the knowledge that students have acquired. #bced ||
 * CptKudos || 19:59 || RT @MrWejr: We need to challenge people when they say "I will take marks off if..." #bced Who owns the learning then? ||
 * davidwees || 19:59 || Don't forget to suggest topics for future discussions. http://t.co/7acE0ulP #BCed ||
 * DataDiva || 19:58 || @MrWejr perhaps. But consider authentic performance tasks. Playing Mozart's Requiem in concert doesn't mean you're done w/ music. #bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:58 || @Akevy613 @MrWejr @DataDiva Too often grades are end points...not progress checks in a learning process. #bced ||
 * davecormier || 19:58 || RT @DMS_Principal: RT @paulgenge: RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/j5DJTrZK #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:58 || I am still stuck on the "how do we get AFL into more classrooms"... maybe another #bced chat topic? ||
 * hughtheteacher || 19:58 || “@KathyPerret: RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced -> Amen!” yes!!!!! ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:58 || RT @CptKudos: Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:58 || RT @mrwejr: @DataDiva too often, though, summative is FINAL.... and kids feel it is over #bced That's a shame...learning can still happen. ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:58 || I was just going to lurk tonight! Wow - what a chat. Thanks for all the ideas. #bced ||
 * Akevy613 || 19:58 || @MrWejr @DataDiva grades take away the motivation for growth #bced how would u feel with a big red 50 on a paper ||
 * MoniseLSeward || 19:58 || YES! *returns to minding own business* RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:58 || @darcymullin @stumpteacher absolutely..learning is not memorizing facts..planning, thinking, doing, sharing is learning #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:57 || RT @CptKudos: Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced ||
 * saraallen91 || 19:57 || RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:57 || RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced -> Amen! ||
 * darcymullin || 19:57 || RT @kanisteacher: @MrWejr sts always ask "Do you take late marks off?" Not a PLO is my response. #bced Great response! Love it. ||
 * CptKudos || 19:57 || Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:57 || RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:57 || Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:57 || @MrWejr sts always ask "Do you take late marks off?" Not a PLO is my response. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:56 || @DataDiva too often, though, summative is FINAL.... and kids feel it is over #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:56 || RT @johnnybevacqua: I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced ||
 * johnnybevacqua || 19:56 || I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:56 || @_Cuddlefish_ Totally agree, that orange book was really useful. #BCed ||
 * DataDiva || 19:56 || @MrWejr Nope but sometimes it's as deep as its going to get - and we want to show it off. Summative asmnts summarize lrng to that pt. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:56 || RT @stumpteacher: Knowing basic facts are useless when in context of a test and not in context of real application. #bced YESSSS! ||
 * davidwees || 19:56 || RT @_Cuddlefish_: .@davidwees I got a wealth of ideas from the orange #bcamt book on assessment. Well worth reading #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:56 || We have 5 minutes left. Can we start summarizing what we've discussed/learned? #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:56 || We need to move ss from what do I have to do to earn grade to "wow..look what I was able to do! #bced ||
 * jbankier || 19:55 || RT @MrWejr: @davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:55 || .@davidwees I got a wealth of ideas from the orange #bcamt book on assessment. Well worth reading #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:55 || @GrahamAura The point really, is that there is error, often significant error, and we should be cautious how we use the grades. #BCed ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:55 || @amnewish @davidwees Exactly. Your professional judgement is better than any computer's. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:55 || @mrwejr agreed! but sometimes the kids miss what their parents yell from the stands :-) #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:55 || We need to challenge people when they say "I will take marks off if..." #bced Who owns the learning then? ||
 * davidwees || 19:55 || @GrahamAura I don't think we can, but we might be able to come up with some sort of average error. #BCed ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:55 || RT @darcymullin: @lovedrummin love it. Kids need to know where they are in the learning if we want them to be a part of it. Well Said! #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:54 || @davidwees absolutely. And no one assessment defines a system. It's about a quality, balanced system. #bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:54 || @mnprincipal @davidwees Knowing basic facts are useless when in context of a test and not in context of real application. #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:54 || @davidwees However, we do use Edusoft, Study Island, and others that I believe are helpful. #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:54 || @davidwees seems that computerized assessment systems tend to add, average & total w/o addition of some significant variables #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:54 || @lovedrummin love it. Kids need to know where they are in the learning if we want them to be a part of it. #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:54 || How about having ss create something based on the knowledge learned? #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:54 || @darcymullin Novice hockey is FULL of qulity assessment for learning #bced ||
 * javafest || 19:53 || Stdnts ask to redefine a project to accommodate something new they've discovered. Ability to assess self while learning is valuable. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:53 || @mnprincipal @stumpteacher That's one problem. It also leads to students who think they know it, when they don't actually. #BCed ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:53 || @davidwees @ajgadd @stumpteacher We need to trust our own judgement when it comes to assessment and not rely on computers. #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:53 || I think we need to use the data to differentiate learning for all learners in the classroom - that would take away the effort grade. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:53 || @DataDiva so when would I use summative? my learning is never final, is it? #bced ||
 * aakune || 19:53 || “@bmooreintheloop: Lots of talk re why of AFL - here is one way of HOW in brief: http://t.co/dYQi3ABz #bced” #delearn ||
 * davidwees || 19:53 || @DataDiva But not sufficient. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:53 || @DMS_Principal Yeah, that's a problem too. #BCed ||
 * darcymullin || 19:53 || Very interesting! RT @davidwees: I've found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be useless. #BCed ||
 * MKuniya || 19:52 || @stumpteacher Josh, I've been reading your posts about studentdriven learning. So empowering! All teachers should take same route #bced ||
 * teacherneuf || 19:52 || RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:52 || @lovedrummin I think as soon as we grade effort, we lose the whole point #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:52 || @davidwees I had a rep demonstrate a software to assess stdnt lrning. Short on time, she randomly chose answers to 25 ?'s - scored 48% #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:52 || @davidwees trick question :). We can assess for a deep understand of recall. Sometimes, that's necessary. #bced ||
 * BCSTA_President || 19:51 || Math lesson @ board meeting. Teacher Marla Margetts and excited kids pulling #'s apart! #bced http://t.co/n5XvlSoS ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:51 || @davidwees My schools uses that. It is "adaptive". ?s change based on correct/incorrect answers. #bced ||
 * johnnybevacqua || 19:51 || RT @KathyPerret: @ajgadd @MrWejr @cdsmeaton - I do think Dweck's book is a must read for all educators! #bced ||
 * stefras || 19:51 || @davidwees Ha. You beat me to it! #BCed ||
 * darcymullin || 19:51 || Agreed! We are going to be working toward this at our school. RT @mrwejr: @darcymullin @8rinaldi @Akevy613 and no marks... #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:51 || Why not have ss chart learning targets and growth towards goals? That is assessment. #bced ||
 * blackspruce47 || 19:51 || @DMS_Principal Have you followed @davecormier re rhizomatic learning? #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:51 || @ajgadd @stumpteacher I mean, assessment where the computer holds the reins and directs the assessment. #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:51 || RT @kriceSD57: You got it!“@stumpteacher: @MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced” ||
 * stefras || 19:51 || @davidwees You could make it a voting system or comment system open to all participants to view. #assesschat #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:51 || RT @davidwees: I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:51 || @ajgadd @stumpteacher That's not quite what I mean. You are controlling the assessment when you use clickers. #BCed ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:51 || You got it!“@stumpteacher: @MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced” ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:50 || Anyone used anything out of Marzano's Formative Assessment and Standard BAsed grading bk? #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:50 || @UMAKADIFF I agree completely. Goal is a balanced system. Diagnostic is critical, too. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:50 || @KathyPerret Matthew Syed is author - recommended by @derekwheeler (a parent at my school) #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:50 || @ajgadd @MrWejr @cdsmeaton - I do think Dweck's book is a must read for all educators! #bced ||
 * mnprincipal || 19:50 || @lovedrummin effort grade and an achievement grade that reflects what the students has learned at that point in time #bced ||
 * teachdiwa || 19:50 || Any thoughts on Understanding by Design? PH is on UbD curriculum and teachers are confused about assessment and backward design. #BCed ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:50 || “@bmooreintheloop: Grades inflate or deflate ego #bced”saw this today when I posted Hist12 marks. meetings w sts to create improvement plans ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:50 || @ajgadd @davidwees All they measure is basic regurgitation of facts. No deeper thinking or true comprehension. Mostly memorization. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:50 || @jenhegna @KhanAcademy The reporting is fine. The questions are way too easy to be useful to me. #BCed ||
 * pmacoun || 19:50 || @davidwees I'm not convinced computerized assessment can ever work as it will always be tied to the product not the process. #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:50 || @MrWejr Not familiar with "Bounce" - thanks for the book suggestion! #bced ||
 * EdVeracity || 19:50 || RT @davidwees: I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:50 || @darcymullin @8rinaldi @Akevy613 and no marks... #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:50 || Coming into the #bced conversation late. Darn that novice hockey! ||
 * javafest || 19:49 || Planned interviews worth it but quick informal ones are more timely, I find. RT @lovedrummin: How about ss interviews for assessment? #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:49 || RT @MKuniya: @MrWejr With that, I'd love to see new students enter my class with a portfolio and saying "This is what I know and can do." #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:49 || BOOM! RT @UMAKADIFF: @DataDiva a balanced approach is necessary. Success on the summative will come from strong formative practice. #bced ||
 * mamouton1 || 19:49 || @DMS_Principal @ajgadd that is so true. Admin needs to take risks to encourage teachers to take risks. #bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:49 || @MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:49 || @ajgadd @KathyPerret @cdsmeaton great point - I am reading "Bouce" right now - based on her work,another great read (esp for athletes) #bced ||
 * MKuniya || 19:49 || @MrWejr With that, I'd love to see new students enter my class with a portfolio and saying "This is what I know and can do." #bced ||
 * jaimetong || 19:49 || 1 thing i'm still working on--the never ending assignment stream. i don't deduct for lates, so the trickle doesn't end, it seems. #bced ||
 * darcymullin || 19:49 || RT @8rinaldi: @Akevy613 @MrWejr We have to start young with no grades #bced and then continue through intermediate. ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:49 || @DataDiva a balanced approach is necessary. Success on the summative will come from strong formative practice. #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:49 || @MrWejr @MKuniya Having our student led conf tomorrow @PoughkeepsieDay. Empowers students. We call them Fam conf #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:49 || @MrWejr when I'm wearing my staff developer hat, every time I stand in front of a group; When I move a report from draft to final. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:49 || RT @MrWejr: @davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:49 || RT @stumpteacher: @davidwees Not sure a computerized test can measure anything other than basic facts/content. Not concepts. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:49 || @davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:49 || @lovedrummin We've split our "approaches to learning" grades from our summative grades and share both with parents. #BCed ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:48 || @davidwees Not sure a computerized test can measure anything other than basic facts/content. Not concepts. #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:48 || Grades inflate or deflate ego. Good feedback moves learning forward #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:48 || RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment "new" assessment practices #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:48 || Paradigm shift! Why not have effort grades attached? #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:48 || @DataDiva agreed but I am looking for better balance of form and summ and more variety of summ #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:48 || Are there computerized assessment systems which are worth using? Can we assess for deep understanding w/ a computerized test? #BCed ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:47 || @Akevy613 @MrWejr We have to start young with no grades #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:47 || RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED ||
 * teachdiwa || 19:47 || RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED ||
 * Edu_Trends || 19:47 || AFL has been around for quite awhile yet AOL still dominates classrooms in #bced. How do we change this? http://t.co/tzYld2Kq ||
 * MrWejr || 19:47 || @MKuniya yes, would LOVE to see more of that! (student-led conferences) #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:46 || I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:46 || @DataDiva Devil's Advocate - how often are you summatively assessed? #bced ||
 * blackspruce47 || 19:46 || @stumpteacher Or for parents? #bced ||
 * remi_collins || 19:46 || Online Professional Book Talk With Grading Expert Ken O'Connor http://t.co/zinG3isz Fifteen Fixes for Broken Grades #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:46 || RT @KathyPerret: @lovedrummin UBD is a great planning process with the "end in mind." #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:46 || “@ajgadd: Oh, another good author to read up on this is Ken O'Connor. #BCED” He's great! And will answer yr questions too! ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:46 || RT @MrWejr: BOOM! Yes, move away from the fixed mindset! RT @KathyPerret: @cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:46 || @lovedrummin UBD is a great planning process with the "end in mind." #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:46 || Formative assessments help identify the specific target area for an effective intervention to reach proficiency in struggling students #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:46 || RT @davidwees: #BCed Our system aims to produce democratic citizens, but then gives almost no choice in what students learn, and how they demonstrate it. ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:46 || Assessment of/for learning should be happening all the time- doesn't have to be paper/pencil test. #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:45 || @bmooreintheloop @kanisteacher rasing the bar to each to Zone of Prox development . need to know each student = motivation to suceed #bced ||
 * Akevy613 || 19:45 || @MrWejr hardly grade anything traditionally yet stu still ask is this4a grade unfortunately this idea of grades is engrained #bced #jedchat ||
 * teach4america || 19:45 || @davidwees: How will we assess our learning from #BCed ?

A: Self-assessment. What matters here is what we use, or share with others. ||
 * ^  ||^   || BOOM! Yes, move away from the fixed mindset! RT @KathyPerret: @cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced ||
 * ^  ||^   || @MrWejr someone has to open the door and take the lead. As long as we r there to learn and not judge .. I team teach and open my doors #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:45 || Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:45 || How about ss interviews for assessment? #bced ||
 * ajgadd || 19:45 || What do people feel is the role of things like the @KhanAcademy exercises in assessment for learning? Does it have a role? #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:45 || @davidwees Make it democratic by handing it over to them and allowing them to author their learning http://t.co/oCx3gmoE #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:45 || PLUG: Pumped to sit with @remi_collins @tomschimmer @davidwees @darcymullin + more at @EdCampfv on Dec 3 and talk more assessment #bced ||
 * andycinek || 19:45 || @gjbarmby We need to have more discussions with kids about what they need from a teacher #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:45 || As important as formative assessments are, summative shouldn't be eliminated. Who wants to stay perpetually in the batting cages? #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:45 || RT @KathyPerret: @lovedrummin Are you familiar with the Understanding by Design planning approach? #bced Yes! ||
 * DataDiva || 19:45 || @cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:44 || “@kriceSD57: Welcome colleagues into our classrooms. Team tching too" my new vp is encouraging this. I hope to sit in on some classes. #bced ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:44 || RT @DataDiva: @lovedrummin because less than 20% of teacher prep programs provide advance coursework in assessment design #bced SAD! ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:44 || Oh, another good author to read up on this is Ken O'Connor. #BCED ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:44 || Q; how to broaden assessments to move beyond quiz quiz test to a variety of performance based assessments? Sticky pt for many #bced ||
 * ajgadd || 19:44 || AfL required rethinking about HOW you teach in the classroom. It requires a real shift in PEDAGOGY... it is NOT just a tool to add #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:44 || @lovedrummin Are you familiar with the Understanding by Design planning approach? #bced ||
 * ajgadd || 19:43 || Don't forget BC boy @tomschimmer 's book "10 Things That Matter Abour Assessment and Grading" #bced (I am planning an AFL chat w him too) ||
 * KathyPerret || 19:43 || #BCed Our system aims to produce democratic citizens, but then gives almost no choice in what students learn, and how they demonstrate it. ||
 * MrWejr || 19:43 || Agree! RT @kanisteacher: @s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I think educating sts on the standards is important. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:43 || RT @edcamp_delta: Come&join the convos w/ 85+ ppl passionate abt educ Jan14 at DeltaSec. FREE reg at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #sd37 #DeltaBC #edcampdelta ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:43 || RT @MasteryConnect: Ever gone to a PTC and asked a teacher why your child had a poor grade and had the teacher respond "don't worry they'll be fine"? #bced ||
 * aakune || 19:43 || @s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I think educating sts on the standards is important. #bced ||
 * thegravelygroup || 19:43 || @davidwees by not making assessment final in your grading process. #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:43 || @pmacoun Those using it in my school focus on the oral defense. Less on the grade and more on the authentic conversation. #bced ||
 * mnprincipal || 19:42 || RT @ajgadd: Try Shirley Clark's books... Anne Davies is another good one. Dylan Wiliam's Embedded Formative Assessment has a zillions gems in it. #bced ||
 * millerg6 || 19:42 || Ss will ask why 2 RT @cdsmeaton: @kanisteacher 1 school have a core who used AFL. Pushed other Ts when parents asked why they didn't! #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:42 || @andycinek http://t.co/ERQEhtyf excellent..love it..perfect example of real life learning and assessment #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:42 || Try Shirley Clark's books... Anne Davies is another good one. Dylan Wiliam's Embedded Formative Assessment has a zillions gems in it. #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:42 || RT @edcamp_delta: Don't miss out on the best Pro-d has to offer! FREE signup 4 #edcampdelta at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #delearn #cpchat #edcampfv #edchat ||
 * ajgadd || 19:42 || @kriceSD57 teachers seem hesitant to enter other classrooms... is this the case in your school? #bced ||
 * aakune || 19:42 || RT @ajgadd: Professional Book Clubs are a great way to begin serious discussion and reflection. Wine and snacks goes a long way... #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:42 || The challenge is not to learn about AFL but to actually learn how to use it WITH students. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:42 || Professional Book Clubs are a great way to begin serious discussion and reflection. Wine and snacks goes a long way... #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:42 || Welcome colleagues into our classrooms. Team tching too“@MrWejr: How do we get these assessment practices into more classrooms??? #bced” ||
 * ajgadd || 19:41 || AFL has been around for quite awhile yet AOL still dominates classrooms in #bced. How do we change this? ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:41 || I think time needs to be set aside every week for teachers to discuss ss results from assessments. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:41 || RT @jaimetong: how can students accept AFL practices when they know at the end of term, they'll receive a percent? it'd be great to change reporting.#bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:41 || @kriceSD57 @davidwees exactly! Our hands are tied by MOE guidelines. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:41 || Absolutely! @MrWejr #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:41 || how can students accept AFL practices when they know at the end of term, they'll receive a percent? it'd be great to change reporting.#bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:41 || YES! More self assessment is key. More co-created criteria to build engagement and motivation is important. #bced ||
 * jaimetong || 19:41 || RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced ||
 * ajgadd || 19:41 || @Braddo @joe_bower We aren't using percentage grades at my school. Fairly progressive grading policy for us. #BCed ||
 * CptKudos || 19:41 || RT @paulgenge: RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/j5DJTrZK #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:41 || @MrWejr around the same time kids stop believing anything is possible and start to scratch their heads about what is #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:40 || @davidwees my Gr1s and I develop "anchor charts". Go over the 'why' and then fill in our jobs - 'the what'. #BCed ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:40 || RT @DMS_Principal: After tonight's chat, my goal is to facilitate the transition from teacher feedback to students being able to assess themselves
 * 1) bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:40 || @MrWejr Good question, that is still asked in 4th year university classes. Sad. #bced ||
 * 2footgiraffe || 19:40 || RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/3V0cH7UC #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech ||
 * ^  ||^   || @kanisteacher One thing that I think needs to change is the focus on content heavy curriculum in high school from the MoE. #BCed ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:40 || Absolutely! At every chance. RT @s2steacher: @kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop shoud we be teaching students feeback language? #bced ||
 * paulgenge || 19:40 || Is this chat going to be archived? Wow-lots of information! #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:39 || @amnewish all about how they are used #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:39 || @cdsmeaton what's AFL? #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:39 || #bced This yr my teachers are using KSA rubrics to self assess & reflect on their practice. Periodically this yr we will discuss. ||
 * MrWejr || 19:39 || @kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop shoud we be teaching students feeback language? #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:39 || Teachers often ask me if formative assessments can become summative #bced ||
 * millerg6 || 19:39 || How do we get these assessment practices into more classrooms??? #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:39 || Thanks for the ability to lurk and participate. Always learn! Good night! #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:39 || RT @Wielinga1: I want passionate kids thus have I have to get out of the paradigm I was educated in. #BCEd ||
 * MrWejr || 19:39 || After tonight's chat, my goal is to facilitate the transition from teacher feedback to students being able to assess themselves
 * 1) bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:39 || @lovedrummin because less than 20% of teacher prep programs provide advance coursework in assessment design #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:39 || RT @MrWejr: At what point do we teach kids to ask "is this for marks?" #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:39 || @zbpipe It's only 10:40pm in Ontario! :) #BCed ||
 * ^  ||^   || RT @UMAKADIFF: @stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:39 || @davidwees my concern is in content heavy courses like SS11. How do you ensure sts learn when there are so many PLOs to get through? #bced ||
 * 2footgiraffe || 19:39 || I want passionate kids thus have I have to get out of the paradigm I was educated in. #BCEd ||
 * davidwees || 19:39 || What a fantastic discussion about assessment practices. Trying to pull myself away from #BCed <-- getting late in this timezone. :( ||
 * Mitchell_Sharon || 19:39 || RT @KTVee: if schools could cut out data collected and unused, well, we'd find time to teach more things like science & social studies #BCed ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:39 || How doe we write assessments that are meaningful and gather data we need! What does that look like? ##bced ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:39 || RT @mnprincipal: @stumpteacher #bced assessment should be used by both student and teacher to help learning. ||
 * zbpipe || 19:38 || At what point do we teach kids to ask "is this for marks?" #bced ||
 * edtechninja || 19:38 || I'd like to know, how can we make the process of assessment more democratic? #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:38 || @stumpteacher #bced assessment should be used by both student and teacher to help learning. ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:38 || I truly believe most teachers do not know how to write great assessments. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:38 || @ajgadd so way more peer/self assess and make it engaging so grades do not become the motivator #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:38 || RT @davidwees: RT @kriceSD57: When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed” ||
 * mnprincipal || 19:38 || I think that if students assessed teachers more, then the teachers assessments would improve. #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:38 || RT @davidwees: Here's one reason why I think percentage grades are problematic. They should have error bars! http://t.co/VDsqHLyn #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:38 || @stumpteacher except that too many reject the info it tells them as teachers and instead rank/sort the kids on the data #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:37 || @ajgadd require growth mindset not fixed mindset in education today. #bced ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:37 || RT @kriceSD57: When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed” ||
 * rileylark || 19:37 || It is important to plan your assessment before your unit, so that you are assessing for learning throughout the unit. #bced ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:37 || When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed” ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:37 || @ajgadd interesting thought... here was my fave PE class "power of a Student Designed Curriculum" http://t.co/dxXDZPPo #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:37 || @s2steacher I guess we should ask why S is always min meet. then make plan so S improves. Changing standards to fit S nixes standard #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:37 || @Dwight_Carter We have 25 minutes left Dwight, feel free to participate. #BCed ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:37 || RT @Neilstephenson: .@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:37 || My assessment is far more "growth mindset" than "fixed", & it's helping all parties (parents & kids) understand that becomes paramount #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:37 || @kanisteacher Saw 1 school have a core who practiced AFL. Pushed other teachers when parents started asking why they didn't! #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:37 || RT @stumpteacher: Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced ||
 * mizminh || 19:36 || Sometimes we need to change our record keeping w/ our assessments and I don't think we are willing to do that. 4 walls in education! #bced ||
 * ajgadd || 19:36 || @s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I use feedback mainly. And mode in english to track growth. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:36 || What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed ||
 * mrsjoananderson || 19:36 || RT @MrWejr: I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:36 || Here is an assessment I used that should be adopted and adapted more often http://t.co/uOST1wSs #BCed ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:36 || @kanisteacher Absolutely. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:36 || RT @lovedrummin: To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced ||
 * MrBrownPE || 19:35 || #bced Curious: have your assessment practices inspired others to reconsider their assessments? ||
 * andycinek || 19:35 || % grades - how about the 0-69 is an F Really...that is HUGE span. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:35 || RT @cdsmeaton: @stumpteacher If it changes the practice to improve the learning- I can live with that! #bced ||
 * sherrattsam || 19:34 || Assessment for, of and during our teaching drives instruction, ongoing assess. sharpens our teaching and broadens students' learning #BCEd ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:34 || RT @davidwees Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed All the time!!! ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:34 || I think so - we need to be able to apply what we know - great question #bced @davidwees ||
 * millerg6 || 19:34 || @javafest @Wielinga1 It's often a challenge because they are not used to it yet. But they will be if we all keep practicing! #bced ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:34 || Here's one reason why I think percentage grades are problematic. They should have error bars! http://t.co/VDsqHLyn #BCed ||
 * sherrattsam || 19:34 || @MrWejr If teaching PE again, how would you do it differently? Would you reject the 100 point scale? How'd you communicate to kids? #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:34 || RT @davidwees: Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed ||
 * misssball || 19:34 || @kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop but what do we do with the student who is always min. meeting? how do we track their growth?#bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:34 || Don't miss out on the best Pro-d has to offer! FREE signup 4 #edcampdelta at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #delearn #cpchat #edcampfv #edchat ||
 * ajgadd || 19:34 || RT @stumpteacher: Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced ||
 * yorgus || 19:34 || @8rinaldi Agree #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:33 || @stumpteacher If it changes the practice to improve the learning- I can live with that! #bced ||
 * edcamp_delta || 19:33 || “@teachersharetp: RT @KTVee: without formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll nev… (cont) http://t.co/OoocQcy0” #BCED ||
 * CTAPinSK || 19:33 || Depends on how deeply we reflect on it! Will we take the time? “@davidwees: How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed” ||
 * Solitaryvox || 19:33 || Some fantastic ideas coming through #bced tonight on assessment and learning ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:33 || @davidwees What did we take away from this hour? What did students take away from class? #bced ||
 * tchrlib || 19:33 || Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:33 || RT @MrWejr: I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:33 || @davidwees Assessment without follow through is useless. I am going to put some of these ideas into action immediately! #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:33 || What if we each created a blog post summarizing what we learned from this chat and shared it with the group later? #BCed ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:32 || I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:32 || RT @MrWejr: So class size is not getting smaller, time is not getting longer... so how can we assess better? #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:32 || Had stdnts who were uncomfortable w this! MT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes 4 more engaged stdnts #BCEd ||
 * davidwees || 19:32 || I'd love to see some sort of more formal system of assessment for learning develop for these chats. #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:32 || @cdsmeaton and that likely yields multiple forms of info to share out = knowing more about what kids know/don't know #bced ||
 * janaslindsay || 19:32 || RT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd ||
 * javafest || 19:32 || @davidwees by self-reflection, connection with prior learning, further investigation #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:32 || @trevorcassidy be sure to follow @d_martin05 and @davidwees #BCEd #edchat #mathchat ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:31 || @DMS_Principal Posting the learning goal & success criteria where self evaluate has dramatically improved quality of work in my class. #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:31 || RT @cdsmeaton: Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:31 || RT @cdsmeaton: Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:31 || RT @davidwees: How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed Ha... ||
 * elizabethsemple || 19:31 || RT @davidwees: #BCed MT @_Cuddlefish_: .@tantwy @davidwees @mrwejr assessment is daily. Even if it isn't formal such as a quiz. ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:31 || this is what my school has used to try an assess tchr collaboration: http://t.co/TDrQvCHO #bced ||
 * mnprincipal || 19:31 || RT @millerg6: #bced Competencies based learning means we should pay more attention to how we learn and less to what we learn. ||
 * Solitaryvox || 19:31 || @stefras It's cool, you are welcome to join us. :) #BCed ||
 * rdargis || 19:30 || Ever gone to a PTC and asked a teacher why your child had a poor grade and had the teacher respond "don't worry they'll be fine"? #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:30 || @bmooreintheloop @s2steacher agreed. We use ministry standards/rubrics. Trying to fit our practices w/I ministry language. #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:30 || How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:30 || @s2steacher when defining the standard? like in cases with special needs? or when defining criteria? #bced ||
 * MasteryConnect || 19:30 || @MrWejr Agreed! Start them young! #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:30 || You got it! I'm doing this with my grade 1s“@Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students.#BCEd” ||
 * davidwees || 19:30 || @millerg6 I used to use Layered Curriculum but stooped bc of focus on grades. How do you manage it? #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:30 || @Wielinga1 I could not agree more! Engagement is a prerequisite to learning! #bced ||
 * amnewish || 19:30 || RT @trevorcassidy: #BCEd looking to build repertoire of formative assessment techniques specific to math, suggestions? #edchat #mathchat ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:30 || Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced ||
 * pmacoun || 19:30 || RT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:30 || @lovedrummin With a class of hundreds of students, I think they would be a god-send. #BCed ||
 * lbingley || 19:30 || Come&join the convos w/ 85+ ppl passionate abt educ Jan14 at DeltaSec. FREE reg at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #sd37 #DeltaBC #edcampdelta ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:29 || #bced Competencies based learning means we should pay more attention to how we learn and less to what we learn. ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:29 || It doesn't have to be all "formal" Use what will help answer questions and drive instruction to a deeper level. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:29 || RT @lovedrummin: 4 corners game is gather information as well. #bced Yep.play it with music symbols or inst. pics in corners instead of nos ||
 * edcamp_delta || 19:29 || @bmooreintheloop I think the stdnts ability should be considered #bced ||
 * millerg6 || 19:29 || @lovedrummin I found them painful to form the questions in advance, and it always took too long to set them up. #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:29 || How about bell ringers as an assessment? #bced ||
 * OrffSitedotCom || 19:29 || @lovedrummin You can only efficiently ask multiple choice questions with clickers. #BCed ||
 * s2steacher || 19:29 || Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd ||
 * davidwees || 19:29 || @martinj09 if she had only given feedback, I would have no reason to FF #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:29 || #BCEd two stars one wish, any other suggestions for peer to peer feedback? #edchat #mathchat ||
 * davidwees || 19:29 || @davidwees Agreed - but if you have clickers why not use them for instant feedback. #bced ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:28 || @s2steacher I think students and teacher together - based on ministry standards... thoughts? #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:28 || @martinj09 that is when it become powerful... remember at UVIC when prof used to tape the feedback, I FF'd to the grade #bced ||
 * trevorcassidy || 19:28 || .@MKuniya and the goals are clear and visible. So important (Hattie) #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:28 || @lovedrummin She also occasionally uses the thumbs up, thumbs middle, thumbs down system. #BCed ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:28 || @Neilstephenson I think that is one of many 21st century competences we should be assessing. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:28 || @KTVee data is smthng that districts will never give up.Sometimes 2 much emphasis is placed on quantative & not enough on qualitative.#BCed ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:28 || @bmooreintheloop who determines what is standard? #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:28 || @lovedrummin My colleague uses mini-whiteboards and has students each share their ideas. Much easier, cheaper, and still effective. #BCed ||
 * millerg6 || 19:28 || @cdsmeaton What is definition of effective schools? Best test scores? #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:28 || @DMS_Principal @lovedrummin Allowing student choice improves relevance. Important for engagement. #bced #hs4 ||
 * s2steacher || 19:28 || #BCEd looking to build repertoire of formative assessment techniques specific to math, suggestions? #edchat #mathchat ||
 * davidwees || 19:27 || @Neilstephenson This can be very powerful for students. They see that you value their input. #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:27 || Which isn't good. they should be accurate. If not = they don't get standard? RT @s2steacher: Ss often harder on thmslvs than we are #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:27 || @MrWejr what if we remove the number? Use some kind of desciptor instead? #bced ||
 * trevorcassidy || 19:27 || How many teachers are stuck in an "agentic state"? #abed #edchat #edtech #bced ||
 * MKuniya || 19:27 || @davidwees absolutely... that is where criteria is so important... #BCed ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:27 || @lovedrummin I found that with a small class (less than 20) the clickers were unnecessary. #BCed ||
 * martinj09 || 19:27 || RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed ||
 * joe_bower || 19:27 || should we assess collaboration? with students and teachers? #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:27 || I'd like to try this strategy with adults too RT @Neilstephenson: design assessment criteria with kids....#bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:27 || RT @DataDiva: @MrWejr that is exactly why I advocate for Quality Rubrics. W/o them, you're forcing students to depend on adults for feedback #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:27 || @MrWejr Yes, and also a powerful way to engage students. Non-writers are now excited to put their ideas down. #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:26 || RT @DMS_Principal: A menu of assessment types is important. Allow students options to demonstrate their understanding. Increases motivation/ownership #bced ||
 * zbpipe || 19:26 || @mramidon Agreed!! #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:26 || @8rinaldi @MrWejr Exactly! Change teaching style. #bced ||
 * millerg6 || 19:26 || How about clickers in the classroom to get instant feedback? #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:26 || A menu of assessment types is important. Allow students options to demonstrate their understanding. Increases motivation/ownership #bced ||
 * 2footgiraffe || 19:26 || RT @2footgiraffe: #bced My son came home with a 95% on a test a while back. "Great son, but what did you learn?" - "I don't know dad" ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:26 || @mamouton1 I like the "start with a few and let it spread"... once it is done well, you cannot argue with it! #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:26 || Use google survey as well - again quick fast way to assess knowledge. #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:26 || @2footgiraffe Yuck!! #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:26 || if schools could cut out data collected and unused, well, we'd find time to teach more things like science & social studies #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:26 || @MrWejr Change teaching style..student led projects, setting goals and own assessment #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:26 || Effective schools correlate- Frequent monitoring of student progress. Can't disagree with 50+ years of research. #hs4 #bced ||
 * mramidon || 19:26 || If what you know is less important than what you can with what you know, does this change our assessment? #BCed ||
 * KTVee || 19:26 || I have ss blog as well - I gather huge amount of info through that #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:25 || design assessment criteria with kids.. send it home with parent. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:25 || #bced My son came home with a 95% on a test a while back. "Great son, but what did you learn?" - "I don't know dad" ||
 * davidwees || 19:25 || @elizabethsemple Same goes for me G!1s and 12! #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:25 || @MrWejr I think principal or designee needs to become expert on a campus to teach teachers then pilot it with a few and let it spread #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:25 || By getting them to define it RT @MasteryConnect: goal = to define what Ss know / understand. How can you address S needs otherwise? #bced ||
 * 2footgiraffe || 19:25 || @amnewish need to start them young! #bced ||
 * Solitaryvox || 19:25 || Just logged into Kidblog and see that 6 kids have been on this evening. So cool. Lots of posts and comments to approve - so cool! #bced ||
 * mamouton1 || 19:25 || @MasteryConnect I also think we need to know what students can do with what they know. #BCed ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:25 || @millerg6 blogging can be a very powerful peer assessment tool #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:25 || Supporting kids to become effective at self and peer assessment... Gradual release #bced ||
 * kelownagurl || 19:25 || students are often harder on themselves than we are #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:25 || @gjbarmby @lovedrummin Much, much, much harder, definitely. I just found a bunch of examples today. #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:25 || #bced Through Kidblog out gr. 4-6 students are receiving excellent feedback from students & educators around the world. http://t.co/dgo5OdQT ||
 * amnewish || 19:24 || Project based, student led makes assessing easier..they set the goals and assess as going along #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:24 || @elizabethsemple @mrwejr LOL I use 2 stars and a wish with my grade 12s! Plus I live 3-2-1s. Great formative assessment. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:24 || Ultimately our goal should be to define what students know and understand. How can you address student needs otherwise? #bced ||
 * millerg6 || 19:24 || Hardly ever, unfortunately. MT @MrWejr: Do we model AFL in professional learning (pro-d)? #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:24 || RT @Neilstephenson: read a tweet once I really liked: The difference btw formative and summative is what you do with the data. #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:24 || @davidwees Assessment without learning...Unfortunately, all the time! #bced ||
 * MasteryConnect || 19:24 || @kriceSD57 i like that - more choice #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:24 || “@MrWejr: If you put a number beside the feedback, you lose value in the feedback. Students don't look at it. #bced” good pnt! ||
 * gallit_z || 19:24 || I believe assessment can happen and no learning - that is why you have assess throughout to see what is being learned #bced ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:24 || @davidwees Isn't that standardized tests? :) #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:24 || @davidwees @lovedrummin I like that idea a lot. Chances are they made the test harder than you would have?? #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:24 || Something needs to change, doesn't it? “@MrWejr: so how can we assess better? #bced” I'm playing with the structure of my class -more choice ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:24 || Do we model AFL in professional learning (pro-d)? #bced ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:23 || “@davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed” not enough time :( ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:23 || Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:23 || @elizabethsemple I use 2 stars and a wish with report card feedback for teachers too #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:23 || I assign the skills to practice, they create the project, they self-assess, I read their self-assess. Good feedback loop #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:23 || @mamouton1 agree so what can we do to help? #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:23 || @MrWejr Some of the most valuable assessment in my primary class is peer "2 stars & a wish" immediately after learning. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:23 || Principal James Hansen Doncaster Elem. explains importance of making math meaningful. Great job James! #bced #yyj ||
 * misssball || 19:23 || #BCed MT @erikkoenke: @davidwees yes on my papers from good profs. and classmates, always helpful. ||
 * MrWejr || 19:22 || RT @kanisteacher: @martinj09 agreed. Sts should be able to explain yr assessment practices. #bced ||
 * elizabethsemple || 19:22 || Student assessment=ownership. #BCEd ||
 * BCSTA_President || 19:22 || @stumpteacher @davidwees my point (hastily tweeted) is that asmt at ground level looks different than asmt at 10,000 feet #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:22 || RT @lovedrummin: To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:22 || @mrjtyler I made the mistake of moving away from grades and numbers and not communicating this well with parents #bced ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:22 || @MrWejr I still think teachers would think time is issue you have to take time to teach model and assess the student feedback process #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:22 || To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:22 || RT @KTVee: writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:22 || “@gjbarmby: @kriceSD57 #bced Agree, students need to be a part of the process.” yes &I have found that they are really honest when they do ||
 * mamouton1 || 19:22 || RT @davidwees: RT @bmooreintheloop: Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation Outstanding! #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:22 || @MrWejr grt point, parent engagement and peer assessment can be 2 great ways #bced ||
 * EdTechHawkeye || 19:22 || RT @cdsmeaton: @teachingtammy @MrWejr Agreed but are we still teaching like we did when we had 15-20 students? If so... #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:22 || @lovedrummin I had a project once where I had students each build a test w/ answer key. That was their assessment. #BCed ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:21 || writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed ||
 * mrjtyler || 19:21 || @teachingtammy @MrWejr Agreed but are we still teaching like we did when we had 15-20 students? If so... #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:21 || So class size is not getting smaller, time is not getting longer... so how can we assess better? #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:21 || Teachers are not the only ones who can assess, we can't underestimate our students. #BCEd ||
 * KTVee || 19:21 || .@davidwees yes. My parents love to sign off on their kids' corrected quizzes. They give them replacement qs etc. it's awesome. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:21 || Timeliness is critical - feedback works when kids have opportunities to use it to improve #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:21 || RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:21 || RT @bmooreintheloop: Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation @davidwees #BCed ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:21 || Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation @davidwees #BCed ||
 * amnewish || 19:21 || @MrWejr class size is a huge barrier. How to get sufficient time to connect w each kiddo when trying to teach 25-30? #BCEd ||
 * PreventBullying || 19:21 || RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:21 || “@cdsmeaton: @UMAKADIFF It needs to drive learning and teaching throughout the process. #bced” agree! ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:20 || RT @kriceSD57: YES!!! “@MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced” #bced ||
 * teachingtammy || 19:20 || To involve students in assessing themselves need lots of exemplars of varying quality that they can refer too. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:20 || @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed ||
 * gallit_z || 19:20 || @MrWejr that is exactly why I advocate for Quality Rubrics. W/o them, you're forcing students to depend on adults for feedback #bced ||
 * DMS_Principal || 19:20 || @mamouton1 so what if we taught kids to assess themselves better, would time still be a huge issue? #bced ||
 * pmacoun || 19:20 || Layered Curriculum and it's oral defense is one form of authentic assessment. Brings in DI, Blooms as well. http://t.co/HADn0gQN #bced ||
 * KTVee || 19:20 || How many of us have had parents help in the assessment process? Can they help? #BCed ||
 * DataDiva || 19:20 || Think about assessment (in a natural sense) and learning as continuous, side by side, especially if student learns self-assessment.
 * 1) bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:20 || YES!!! “@MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced” ||
 * millerg6 || 19:19 || Learners need to OWN the Assessment - RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:19 || @kanisteacher @MrWejr me too (+ AP courses). But this is the type of feedback that is most useful. #bced ||
 * teach4america || 19:19 || “@kriceSD57: @MrWejr students MUST be a part of it. How else do they know what to work on? #BCed” yes!! ||
 * ^  ||^   || @cdsmeaton YES! parents need to be in the conversation... #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:19 || @kanisteacher Then we need to change the way we provide feedback so time is not the enemy. #bced ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:19 || @davidwees assessment should be used to draw the learning roadmap; u can get off path QUICKLY, so it must be timely #BCed ||
 * misssball || 19:19 || @davidwees critical if the intent is to inform the learning/instruction - useless if too much time passes before stud. can respond #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:19 || .@cdsmeaton did you not read my earlier tweets? Of course. #bced #edchat ||
 * MrWejr || 19:19 || @MrWejr agreed. We've developed "Fix this" sheets for English. No grade just feedback #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:19 || Assessment is process, it guides teaching and learning. Assessment has to be ongoing to have any benefit to anyone. #BCEd ||
 * KTVee || 19:19 || RT @davidwees: @tantwy @MrWejr Anecdotal observations, self-assessment, peer assessment, writing samples, exit slips, etc... all forms of assessment. #BCed ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:19 || @kriceSD57 @cdsmeaton @davidwees timing can be staggered as stdnts learn to self assess looking at the criteria #BCed ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:19 || @MrWejr I would say the biggest obstacle is time. #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:19 || Has anyone here received feedback more than a week late and found it to be useful? #BCed ||
 * Wielinga1 || 19:19 || RT @martinj09: Also a balance of formative and assessment tasks so students are provided a range of feedback and realize it is a process #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:19 || We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:19 || RT @cdsmeaton: @8rinaldi Need parents and community to understand purpose of assessment. Can't be like it was in the good old days. #bced ||
 * mamouton1 || 19:19 || @8rinaldi I'm not in the same situation now, much, much easier to do self-assessment w/ my students. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:18 || @_Cuddlefish_ That's the test but lots of do overs before you take the test! #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:18 || @MrWejr Time is my biggest barrier. Teaching eng 10, ss11 and Hist 12. Difficult to provide authentic and meaningful feedback . #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:18 || @davidwees timeliness is extremely important. That's the hard part though. I try to stick to a 48hr return policy #bced ||
 * KTVee || 19:18 || RT @joe_bower: Assessment is not a spreadsheet - it's a conversation. #abed #edchat #bced #edtech ||
 * davidwees || 19:18 || What amount of classrooms in #bced schools use AFL as the main form of assessment - high, med, low? ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:18 || RT @CarrieCoxStuart: Learning must not END with assessment. Students must learn FROM assessments as well. I like test corrections (separate grade) #bced #edchat ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:18 || @davidwees I know it takes time and effort but worth it in end..good luck! #bced ||
 * misssball || 19:18 || Timeline of feedback needs to be instant. #bced ||
 * KTVee || 19:18 || RT @cdsmeaton: @MrWejr there has to be a purpose. how does it change my teaching to improve student learning. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:18 || .@Neilstephenson there is no do over the last time you jump from that plane #edchat #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:18 || Assessment is a process, not a given test! #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:18 || @cdsmeaton @davidwees I try to stagger my asses. it requires me to change the way I teach. Try to create independent learners. #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:18 || How important is the timeliness of the feedback/assessment to the learning process? #BCed ||
 * gallit_z || 19:17 || at secondary, all AFL should revolve around self-reflection #bced ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:17 || RT @davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:17 || #bced agreed that ongoing assessment is key-what about 2 way assessment? Interested if many teachers get structured feedback from students? ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:17 || RT @Neilstephenson: our PE teacher is right now interviewing and recording conversations with 300 stdnts. That's his report card comments. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:17 || @Neilstephenson agreed! important not to get hung up on the definition but to focus on intent - time of the assessment is key #bced ||
 * misssball || 19:17 || @davidwees We need to do things differently and that is a great example you provide. #bced ||
 * acaryamjr || 19:17 || No. Assessment by self/peers/staff is feedback to make improvements or changes. Re: @davidwees Can learning occur w/o assessment? #BCed ||
 * mrjtyler || 19:17 || @8rinaldi Good self-assessment takes some self-direction, which my students at the time were still building. #BCed ||
 * michelleleandra || 19:17 || Amen!RT @lovedrummin: It all comes back to public perception of "testing" -rank! We need to change perception #bced ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:16 || What if we gave less assignments and spent more time on assessment (self, peer). Go deeper. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:16 || “@martinj09: Transperancy is key so students understand what is being assessed. Criterion referenced works well. #bced” agree :) ||
 * javafest || 19:16 || It all comes back to public perception of "testing" -rank! We need to change perception #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:16 || @cdsmeaton Yeah definitely. That's what I ended up doing. I also gave some feedback to groups instead of individuals. #BCed ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:16 || our PE teacher is right now interviewing and recording conversations with 300 stdnts. That's his report card comments. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:16 || RT @MrWejr: Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:16 || @davidwees hand some over to students..assess themselves #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:16 || @MrWejr so true. Then it is all about grades rather than the learning. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:16 || RT @stumpteacher: @MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:16 || Too often assessment is the end of the process. It narrows the learning. If learners are self-directed, assessment has to be ongoing #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:16 || .@MrWejr #edchat #bced I wish I had more time to go over each student's work more thoroughly both alone and with them. ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:15 || @davidwees But maybe we don't have to give all 34 feedback at once. Stagger? #bced ||
 * misssball || 19:15 || @stumpteacher not sure I agree. A small (teeny tiny) slice of the assessment pie needs to be unrelated to direct teaching/learning. #bced ||
 * ryflinn || 19:15 || RT @MrWejr: Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:15 || @cdsmeaton absolutely! No surprises doesn't mean no exploration or discovery - just means clarity of purpose/intent #bced ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:15 || Assessment should be multi-directional too. Teacher-teacher, student-student, teacher-student and student-teacher. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:15 || read a tweet once I really liked: The difference btw formative and summative is what you do with the data. #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:15 || RT @davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed ||
 * ryflinn || 19:15 || If you put a number beside the feedback, you lose value in the feedback. Students don't look at it. #bced ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:15 || It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:15 || I think that comes in clearly defined "I can" statements. It sets forth what the learner should be able to do. #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:15 || my teacher prep program (u of calgary) has had no grades for 10 years. Mixed reaction - now moving back to grades #bced ||
 * mbteachers || 19:15 || @davidwees I think feedback and reflection are a must in order for learning to occur. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:14 || Even a standardized test eventually informs a learner, even if only very indirectly through their district or teacher. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:14 || So we r all in agreement here so far that assessment needs 2 be ongoing feedback... so what r the barriers to this in every classroom? #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:14 || RT @darcymullin: YEP! Yet another great post. RT @johnnybevacqua: Gr8 post.Who do you work for? |http://t.co/0oa8aGIA by @jmclean77 #bced #cpchat #edchat ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:14 || @martinj09 agreed. Sts should be able to explain yr assessment practices. #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:14 || Any assessment needs to be conversation either in person or written as meaningful narrative #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:14 || @kriceSD57 #bced Agree, students need to be a part of the process. ||
 * MrWejr || 19:14 || What does the data from assessments tell you? How do you change your instruction from that data? #bced ||
 * BettyAnnX11 || 19:14 || @gallit_z feedback was student to student, teacher to teacher, student to teacher---the growth was evident but hard to formally assess #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:13 || @UMAKADIFF It needs to drive learning and teaching throughout the process. #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:13 || RT @UMAKADIFF: @stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:13 || #BCed MT @_Cuddlefish_: .@tantwy @davidwees @mrwejr assessment is daily. Even if it isn't formal such as a quiz. ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:13 || @tantwy @MrWejr I see assessment as, that which is done by/for a learner that guides their learning. #BCed ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:13 || AFL - Learning Intentions, Criteria, Feedback, Powerful Questions , Self and Peer Assessment. #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:13 || we have to look/assess students on their own learning continuum #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:13 || Service learning is a great way to have students self-assess. Good community based projects are self-regulating too. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:13 || RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:13 || @stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:12 || RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd ||
 * s2steacher || 19:12 || @MrWejr students MUST be a part of it. How else do they know what to work on? #BCed ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:12 || RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd ||
 * gallit_z || 19:12 || @tantwy @MrWejr Anecdotal observations, self-assessment, peer assessment, writing samples, exit slips, etc... all forms of assessment. #BCed ||
 * UMAKADIFF || 19:12 || @8rinaldi Need parents and community to understand purpose of assessment. Can't be like it was in the good old days. #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:12 || Where does standards based grading fit into Formative Assessment? #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:12 || Also a balance of formative and assessment tasks so students are provided a range of feedback and realize it is a process #bced ||
 * robinhosemann || 19:12 || @lovedrummin I think we can accomplish that while maintaining professional jargon. We need to help public see diff. betwn asset & test #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:12 || RT @davidwees: Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:12 || @MrWejr @gjbarmby I think any descriptor/judgement by a teacher is interpreted by students as a 'grade' #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:12 || @davidwees @MrWejr i must say, as a parent, i don't really understand the scope of assessment - daily, exams, fsa, other? #BCed ||
 * martinj09 || 19:12 || in Search of the Big Book Experience http://t.co/TbaBGyIK Do you do the BigBook? #bced #1stchat #kinderchat #ece ||
 * DataDiva || 19:12 || @8rinaldi purpose purpose purpose #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:11 || “@phsprincipal: Just finished a school wide project with no formal grades..." #bced So how did you assess learning? Just comments? ||
 * pmacoun || 19:11 || Learning must not END with assessment. Students must learn FROM assessments as well. I like test corrections (separate grade) #bced #edchat ||
 * tantwy || 19:11 || RT @stumpteacher: @MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced ||
 * mathmurd || 19:11 || @MrWejr @gjbarmby parents see them as grades & what do they really Mean? #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:11 || @MrWejr there has to be a purpose. how does it change my teaching to improve student learning. #bced ||
 * gallit_z || 19:11 || Exactly - how are you using the data to drive instruction? #bced ||
 * CarrieCoxStuart || 19:11 || @MrWejr yes! I dig the coach analogy. Ongoing learning, not just a one shot deal. #BCEd ||
 * MrWejr || 19:11 || @MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced ||
 * 8rinaldi || 19:11 || Can we improve in what we do without feedback on what we've done? #BCed ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:11 || @lovedrummin I agree about changing the wording. #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:11 || @s2steacher interesting because I do not always feel an A is exceeding IMO #bced ||
 * teachingtammy || 19:10 || Is it possible for learning to occur without some sort of assessment? #BCed ||
 * stumpteacher || 19:10 || Lots of talk re why of AFL - here is one way of HOW in brief: http://t.co/1gKEH3Bj #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:10 || How about common assessments throughout district to gain knowledge of learners and drive instruction? #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:10 || Transperancy is key so students understand what is being assessed. Criterion referenced works well. #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:10 || An assessment policy is only as good as to how it is followed. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:10 || RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed ||
 * bmooreintheloop || 19:10 || Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:10 || @DataDiva good point. I was thinking more outsider. This video. Is it assessment or learning? http://t.co/LDU4mqZk #bced ||
 * martinj09 || 19:10 || #bced @davidwees @gjbarmby you got it-> plenty of asses.My gr1s are able 2 tell me what they need to work on.They are almost always bang on! ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:10 || @davidwees By the progress toward the goal and the final products. We built trebuchets, wrote and perfd plays, made food, promoted.etc #bced ||
 * lmockford || 19:10 || @MrWejr @gjbarmby exceeding is like an 'A' overheard at my school #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:10 || .@kanisteacher @davidwees great q! Some of my colleagues HATE my summative assessment practices when they get the kid next yr #edchat #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:10 || @davidwees true on the assessment piece, and the learning happens all the time. But 'Is this going to be on the test?' #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:10 || @dgburris I don't have any specific links atm, but I can probably share some policies. #BCed ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:10 || RT @Neilstephenson: i love the assessment as performances of understanding from the Harvard Teaching for Understanding framework: http://t.co/fNBl7rex #bced ||
 * s2steacher || 19:10 || Great resource for assessment in AB http://t.co/63AQZEPm #bced ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:10 || 4 corners game is gather information as well. #bced ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:10 || Don't forget the #BCed hashtag. :) ||
 * davidwees || 19:09 || RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed ||
 * lmockford || 19:09 || RT @lovedrummin: I think the word assessmnt/testing needs to be changed. We need to evaluate for understanding to create deeper learning opportunities #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:09 || @kanisteacher No assessment policy is an assessment policy, of sorts. It says, "Do whatever you want." #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:09 || Ticket in the door/out the door is "gathering information" or assessing - it doesn't have to be nail biting. #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:09 || @Neilstephenson it's interesting to think about who "you" is. An observer, sure. But I would hope the teacher would see difference #bced ||
 * TeacherCast || 19:09 || @gjbarmby interesting thought... we have "not yet meeting", "fully meeting", "exceeding" in elem - are these like grades? #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:09 || @davidwees what if there is no school wide policy? How do you encourage that discussion w/o alienating staff? #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:09 || I think the word assessmnt/testing needs to be changed. We need to evaluate for understanding to create deeper learning opportunities #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:09 || @davidwees But is it the right assessment. Are we impacting their learning or stopping it altogether. #bced ||
 * DataDiva || 19:08 || @davidwees do you have an example of some assessment polices? #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:08 || RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:08 || @phsprincipal And how did they assess progress w/o grades? #BCed ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:08 || RT @davidwees: Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:08 || .@davidwees @neilstephenson @mrwejr true, and I want them to know the difference. Like the packing parachute example. ;) #bced #edchat ||
 * dgburris || 19:08 || @gjbarmby There may not be grades in the elementary school level, but there is plenty of assessment. #BCed ||
 * pmacoun || 19:08 || I love the idea of being a coach for assessment - ongoing feedback based on observations #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:07 || Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd ||
 * rwd01 || 19:07 || I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:07 || RT @philmcrae: 52% of Twitter users don't consider legal implications of tweets. Defamation cases doubling! tinyurl.com/5u2gvgr #abed #bced #edchat ||
 * davidwees || 19:07 || @_Cuddlefish_ if we think of asst FOR learning as when the most important coaching takes place, the game becomes less painful for s's #bced ||
 * MrWejr || 19:07 || Also instruction. I think we need to find forms of assessment where we can understand everyone's level of understanding #bced ||
 * gjbarmby || 19:06 || #bced Supt from AB lurking for 1st time as well. ||
 * davidwees || 19:06 || Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed ||
 * Viadbe || 19:06 || @_Cuddlefish_ @Neilstephenson @mrwejr Both are learning experiences too though, right? #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:06 || I believe all forms of assessment should drive the curriculum and the educator. #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:06 || @davidwees Just finished a school wide project with no formal grades. The kids and teachers were constantly looking to assess progress #bced ||
 * cdsmeaton || 19:06 || RT @davidwees: Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight. ||
 * davidwees || 19:06 || Following/lurking the chat on learning and assessment #bced ||
 * davidwees || 19:05 || “@lovedrummin: Lurking in the #BCed chat tonight for the first time.”me too ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:05 || .@Neilstephenson @davidwees @mrwejr I disagree somewhat. There is a difference between practice and "the game" #bced #edchat ||
 * phsprincipal || 19:05 || Hrmm. I should use "broadly defining" instead of "broadly definition." See, I've learned! #BCed ||
 * MrWejr || 19:05 || i love the assessment as performances of understanding from the Harvard Teaching for Understanding framework: http://t.co/fNBl7rex #bced ||
 * kanisteacher || 19:05 || @lovedrummin I am also a 1st time #bced chat lurker! ||
 * gallit_z || 19:05 || RT @Neilstephenson: .@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced ||
 * _Cuddlefish_ || 19:04 || I think it is worth broadly definition assessment as feedback to the learner. Hence, learning can occur with self-assessment. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:04 || Lurking in the #BCed chat tonight for the first time. ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:04 || RT @joe_bower: Betraying my students with standards http://t.co/PFxgNqmM by @markbarnes19 #edchat #abed #bced ||
 * kriceSD57 || 19:03 || RT @DataDiva: @davidwees cant make chat. My $.02: learning isn't in doing alone We learn by doing-assessing-doing differently Can't have 1 w/o other #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:03 || Also, if your account is set to private, set it to public for the duration of the chat so we can all see your tweets. #BCed ||
 * davidwees || 19:03 || .@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:02 || Make sure to include the hashtag #BCed somewhere in your tweets, otherwise no one else can see them. ||
 * KThomtweets || 19:02 || RT @davidwees: Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight. #edchat ||
 * davidwees || 19:02 || Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight. ||
 * davidwees || 19:02 || Designing and assessing hands-on learning: http://t.co/Y7vCQMdw #bced ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:02 || RT @joe_bower: Assessment is not a spreadsheet - it's a conversation. #abed #edchat #bced #edtech ||
 * davidwees || 19:02 || RT @kriceSD57: #BCed chat in 5 min - "the relationship between assessment and learning" ||
 * lovedrummin || 19:02 || #BCed chat in 5 min - "the relationship between assessment and learning" ||
 * davidwees || 19:01 || @DataDiva Thanks for your feedback, I'll make sure to retweet it during the conversation. #BCed ||
 * Neilstephenson || 19:01 || West Vancouver Teachers - Ride To Conquer Cancer, Ride A Thon. 64 riders + 8 Hrs + 200 KM = 1 Goal #bced #RTCC #Northshorenews #vancouversun ||