Username
Time
Status
davidwees
20:02
We could always use more help in setting topics and advertising the chats. #BCed
lovedrummin
20:02
It is our job to dig deeper with expectation of learning - Blooms, etc. #bced
davidwees
20:02
Thank you all for attending our #BCed chat. Let either myself or @MrWejr know if you'd like to help us moderate these chats.
DMS_Principal
20:01
If you were graded on the average from the first time you sat behind the wheel of a car until the final drivers test-Would you pass? #bced
lovedrummin
20:01
RT @stumpteacher: @davidwees @mnprincipal Bingo...lots of kids have facts memorized but in reality "know" very little. #bced
kanisteacher
20:01
#bced nice chatting w you all! Until next time!
lovedrummin
20:01
RT @darcymullin: @akevy613 well said.The focus of any assessment or check in should plan for growth and work to motivate.Agree grades have opp. effect. #bced
amnewish
20:01
@DataDiva let's hope not! Butler's research resonates with me...#bced
stumpteacher
20:01
@davidwees @mnprincipal Bingo...lots of kids have facts memorized but in reality "know" very little. #bced
DataDiva
20:01
@MrWejr I think that's the "game of school" kids have learned to play. A game we need to accidently lose behind the couch. #bced
teachingtammy
20:01
RT @johnnybevacqua: I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced
TraceyTeaches
20:01
RT @KTVee: writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed
lovedrummin
20:01
@MrWejr Sorry, I needed to be an "active" learner tonight. #bced
darcymullin
20:01
@akevy613 well said.The focus of any assessment or check in should plan for growth and work to motivate.Agree grades have opp. effect. #bced
raysadad
20:01
RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced
_Cuddlefish_
20:01
.@MrWejr I wish I knew. One of my colleagues can't stand my assessment practices. Two others just don't want to know. #bced
johnnybevacqua
20:00
Make it a policy issue RT @MrWejr: I am still stuck on the "how do we get AFL into more classrooms"... maybe another #bced chat topic?"
davidwees
20:00
I'm taking this away: We had a lot of passionate people about assessment and learning out tonight! #BCed
mnprincipal
20:00
“@darcymullin: @mrwejr agreed! but sometimes the kids miss what their parents yell from the stands :-) #bced”< #classic
MrWejr
20:00
@lovedrummin you are the best lurker EVER! haha #bced
DataDiva
20:00
@stumpteacher @Akevy613 @MrWejr grades and summative assessments aren't like salt and pepper. Can have your pep with no salt. #bced
javafest
20:00
Agree. I sympathise tho b/c I sometimes feel the same way. @misssball @Wielinga1 Re: A challenge b/c stdnts not used to it. #bced
stumpteacher
20:00
@mnprincipal @davidwees Yes, you need those facts as a basis...but testing those facts out of context is of no value. #bced
kriceSD57
19:59
#BCed I took away: need to explore alternatives for r kids, empower them with choices, let them know the why, reflect more as a teacher.
lovedrummin
19:59
This was a great topic that could probably be continued next week! #bced
UMAKADIFF
19:59
@DataDiva @MrWejr and neither does singing the alphabet song indicate an ability to recognize letters #bced
davidwees
19:59
@mnprincipal @stumpteacher Note you said "understanding" and not "memorizing" #BCed
lovedrummin
19:59
RT @darcymullin: RT @8rinaldi: @darcymullin @stumpteacher real learning comes from applying the knowledge that students have acquired. #bced
MrWejr
19:59
@DataDiva oh, I know that... but it is the students who do the summative and then move on as if it is over #bced
davidwees
19:59
Most of the time @MrWejr and I have to just make up topics b/c we get hardly any suggestions! #BCed
mnprincipal
19:59
@stumpteacher @davidwees partially agree but understanding basic facts in reading (sight words) and math (# sense) can help fluency. #bced
darcymullin
19:59
RT @8rinaldi: @darcymullin @stumpteacher real learning comes from applying the knowledge that students have acquired. #bced
CptKudos
19:59
RT @MrWejr: We need to challenge people when they say "I will take marks off if..." #bced Who owns the learning then?
davidwees
19:59
Don't forget to suggest topics for future discussions. http://t.co/7acE0ulP #BCed
DataDiva
19:58
@MrWejr perhaps. But consider authentic performance tasks. Playing Mozart's Requiem in concert doesn't mean you're done w/ music. #bced
stumpteacher
19:58
@Akevy613 @MrWejr @DataDiva Too often grades are end points...not progress checks in a learning process. #bced
davecormier
19:58
RT @DMS_Principal: RT @paulgenge: RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/j5DJTrZK #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech #bced
MrWejr
19:58
I am still stuck on the "how do we get AFL into more classrooms"... maybe another #bced chat topic?
hughtheteacher
19:58
“@KathyPerret: RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced -> Amen!” yes!!!!!
gjbarmby
19:58
RT @CptKudos: Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced
darcymullin
19:58
RT @mrwejr: @DataDiva too often, though, summative is FINAL.... and kids feel it is over #bced That's a shame...learning can still happen.
lovedrummin
19:58
I was just going to lurk tonight! Wow - what a chat. Thanks for all the ideas. #bced
Akevy613
19:58
@MrWejr @DataDiva grades take away the motivation for growth #bced how would u feel with a big red 50 on a paper
MoniseLSeward
19:58
YES! *returns to minding own business* RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced
8rinaldi
19:58
@darcymullin @stumpteacher absolutely..learning is not memorizing facts..planning, thinking, doing, sharing is learning #bced
KathyPerret
19:57
RT @CptKudos: Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced
saraallen91
19:57
RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced
KathyPerret
19:57
RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced -> Amen!
darcymullin
19:57
RT @kanisteacher: @MrWejr sts always ask "Do you take late marks off?" Not a PLO is my response. #bced Great response! Love it.
CptKudos
19:57
Assessment need be authentic as in, 'authored' by the learner. Our job is to elaborate, enrich and enable. #bced
davidwees
19:57
RT @lovedrummin: Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced
lovedrummin
19:57
Not every assessment has to "be a grade" #bced
kanisteacher
19:57
@MrWejr sts always ask "Do you take late marks off?" Not a PLO is my response. #bced
MrWejr
19:56
@DataDiva too often, though, summative is FINAL.... and kids feel it is over #bced
davidwees
19:56
RT @johnnybevacqua: I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced
johnnybevacqua
19:56
I think the advent of the "grading program" has had done harm to authentic assessment than anything else in education #bced
davidwees
19:56
@_Cuddlefish_ Totally agree, that orange book was really useful. #BCed
DataDiva
19:56
@MrWejr Nope but sometimes it's as deep as its going to get - and we want to show it off. Summative asmnts summarize lrng to that pt. #bced
darcymullin
19:56
RT @stumpteacher: Knowing basic facts are useless when in context of a test and not in context of real application. #bced YESSSS!
davidwees
19:56
RT @_Cuddlefish_: .@davidwees I got a wealth of ideas from the orange #bcamt book on assessment. Well worth reading #bced
davidwees
19:56
We have 5 minutes left. Can we start summarizing what we've discussed/learned? #BCed
lovedrummin
19:56
We need to move ss from what do I have to do to earn grade to "wow..look what I was able to do! #bced
jbankier
19:55
RT @MrWejr: @davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed
_Cuddlefish_
19:55
.@davidwees I got a wealth of ideas from the orange #bcamt book on assessment. Well worth reading #bced
davidwees
19:55
@GrahamAura The point really, is that there is error, often significant error, and we should be cautious how we use the grades. #BCed
kanisteacher
19:55
@amnewish @davidwees Exactly. Your professional judgement is better than any computer's. #bced
darcymullin
19:55
@mrwejr agreed! but sometimes the kids miss what their parents yell from the stands :-) #bced
MrWejr
19:55
We need to challenge people when they say "I will take marks off if..." #bced Who owns the learning then?
davidwees
19:55
@GrahamAura I don't think we can, but we might be able to come up with some sort of average error. #BCed
DMS_Principal
19:55
RT @darcymullin: @lovedrummin love it. Kids need to know where they are in the learning if we want them to be a part of it. Well Said! #bced
DataDiva
19:54
@davidwees absolutely. And no one assessment defines a system. It's about a quality, balanced system. #bced
stumpteacher
19:54
@mnprincipal @davidwees Knowing basic facts are useless when in context of a test and not in context of real application. #bced
DMS_Principal
19:54
@davidwees However, we do use Edusoft, Study Island, and others that I believe are helpful. #bced
amnewish
19:54
@davidwees seems that computerized assessment systems tend to add, average & total w/o addition of some significant variables #bced
darcymullin
19:54
@lovedrummin love it. Kids need to know where they are in the learning if we want them to be a part of it. #bced
lovedrummin
19:54
How about having ss create something based on the knowledge learned? #bced
MrWejr
19:54
@darcymullin Novice hockey is FULL of qulity assessment for learning #bced
javafest
19:53
Stdnts ask to redefine a project to accommodate something new they've discovered. Ability to assess self while learning is valuable. #bced
davidwees
19:53
@mnprincipal @stumpteacher That's one problem. It also leads to students who think they know it, when they don't actually. #BCed
kanisteacher
19:53
@davidwees @ajgadd @stumpteacher We need to trust our own judgement when it comes to assessment and not rely on computers. #bced
lovedrummin
19:53
I think we need to use the data to differentiate learning for all learners in the classroom - that would take away the effort grade. #bced
MrWejr
19:53
@DataDiva so when would I use summative? my learning is never final, is it? #bced
aakune
19:53
“@bmooreintheloop: Lots of talk re why of AFL - here is one way of HOW in brief: http://t.co/dYQi3ABz #bced” #delearn
davidwees
19:53
@DataDiva But not sufficient. #BCed
davidwees
19:53
@DMS_Principal Yeah, that's a problem too. #BCed
darcymullin
19:53
Very interesting! RT @davidwees: I've found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be useless. #BCed
MKuniya
19:52
@stumpteacher Josh, I've been reading your posts about studentdriven learning. So empowering! All teachers should take same route #bced
teacherneuf
19:52
RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced
MrWejr
19:52
@lovedrummin I think as soon as we grade effort, we lose the whole point #bced
DMS_Principal
19:52
@davidwees I had a rep demonstrate a software to assess stdnt lrning. Short on time, she randomly chose answers to 25 ?'s - scored 48% #bced
DataDiva
19:52
@davidwees trick question :). We can assess for a deep understand of recall. Sometimes, that's necessary. #bced
BCSTA_President
19:51
Math lesson @ board meeting. Teacher Marla Margetts and excited kids pulling #'s apart! #bced http://t.co/n5XvlSoS
stumpteacher
19:51
@davidwees My schools uses that. It is "adaptive". ?s change based on correct/incorrect answers. #bced
johnnybevacqua
19:51
RT @KathyPerret: @ajgadd @MrWejr @cdsmeaton - I do think Dweck's book is a must read for all educators! #bced
stefras
19:51
@davidwees Ha. You beat me to it! #BCed
darcymullin
19:51
Agreed! We are going to be working toward this at our school. RT @mrwejr: @darcymullin @8rinaldi @Akevy613 and no marks... #bced
lovedrummin
19:51
Why not have ss chart learning targets and growth towards goals? That is assessment. #bced
blackspruce47
19:51
@DMS_Principal Have you followed @davecormier re rhizomatic learning? #bced
davidwees
19:51
@ajgadd @stumpteacher I mean, assessment where the computer holds the reins and directs the assessment. #BCed
lovedrummin
19:51
RT @kriceSD57: You got it!“@stumpteacher: @MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced”
stefras
19:51
@davidwees You could make it a voting system or comment system open to all participants to view. #assesschat #BCed
MrWejr
19:51
RT @davidwees: I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed
davidwees
19:51
@ajgadd @stumpteacher That's not quite what I mean. You are controlling the assessment when you use clickers. #BCed
kriceSD57
19:51
You got it!“@stumpteacher: @MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced”
lovedrummin
19:50
Anyone used anything out of Marzano's Formative Assessment and Standard BAsed grading bk? #bced
DataDiva
19:50
@UMAKADIFF I agree completely. Goal is a balanced system. Diagnostic is critical, too. #bced
MrWejr
19:50
@KathyPerret Matthew Syed is author - recommended by @derekwheeler (a parent at my school) #bced
KathyPerret
19:50
@ajgadd @MrWejr @cdsmeaton - I do think Dweck's book is a must read for all educators! #bced
mnprincipal
19:50
@lovedrummin effort grade and an achievement grade that reflects what the students has learned at that point in time #bced
teachdiwa
19:50
Any thoughts on Understanding by Design? PH is on UbD curriculum and teachers are confused about assessment and backward design. #BCed
kanisteacher
19:50
“@bmooreintheloop: Grades inflate or deflate ego #bced”saw this today when I posted Hist12 marks. meetings w sts to create improvement plans
stumpteacher
19:50
@ajgadd @davidwees All they measure is basic regurgitation of facts. No deeper thinking or true comprehension. Mostly memorization. #bced
davidwees
19:50
@jenhegna @KhanAcademy The reporting is fine. The questions are way too easy to be useful to me. #BCed
pmacoun
19:50
@davidwees I'm not convinced computerized assessment can ever work as it will always be tied to the product not the process. #bced
KathyPerret
19:50
@MrWejr Not familiar with "Bounce" - thanks for the book suggestion! #bced
EdVeracity
19:50
RT @davidwees: I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed
MrWejr
19:50
@darcymullin @8rinaldi @Akevy613 and no marks... #bced
darcymullin
19:50
Coming into the #bced conversation late. Darn that novice hockey!
javafest
19:49
Planned interviews worth it but quick informal ones are more timely, I find. RT @lovedrummin: How about ss interviews for assessment? #bced
MrWejr
19:49
RT @MKuniya: @MrWejr With that, I'd love to see new students enter my class with a portfolio and saying "This is what I know and can do." #bced
lovedrummin
19:49
BOOM! RT @UMAKADIFF: @DataDiva a balanced approach is necessary. Success on the summative will come from strong formative practice. #bced
mamouton1
19:49
@DMS_Principal @ajgadd that is so true. Admin needs to take risks to encourage teachers to take risks. #bced
stumpteacher
19:49
@MrWejr @davidwees I think we TELL kids to be responsible without allowing them real opportunities to be. #bced
MrWejr
19:49
@ajgadd @KathyPerret @cdsmeaton great point - I am reading "Bouce" right now - based on her work,another great read (esp for athletes) #bced
MKuniya
19:49
@MrWejr With that, I'd love to see new students enter my class with a portfolio and saying "This is what I know and can do." #bced
jaimetong
19:49
1 thing i'm still working on--the never ending assignment stream. i don't deduct for lates, so the trickle doesn't end, it seems. #bced
darcymullin
19:49
RT @8rinaldi: @Akevy613 @MrWejr We have to start young with no grades #bced and then continue through intermediate.
UMAKADIFF
19:49
@DataDiva a balanced approach is necessary. Success on the summative will come from strong formative practice. #bced
8rinaldi
19:49
@MrWejr @MKuniya Having our student led conf tomorrow @PoughkeepsieDay. Empowers students. We call them Fam conf #bced
DataDiva
19:49
@MrWejr when I'm wearing my staff developer hat, every time I stand in front of a group; When I move a report from draft to final. #bced
davidwees
19:49
RT @MrWejr: @davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed
davidwees
19:49
RT @stumpteacher: @davidwees Not sure a computerized test can measure anything other than basic facts/content. Not concepts. #bced
MrWejr
19:49
@davidwees we teach kids to be responsible without giving responsibility #BCed
davidwees
19:49
@lovedrummin We've split our "approaches to learning" grades from our summative grades and share both with parents. #BCed
stumpteacher
19:48
@davidwees Not sure a computerized test can measure anything other than basic facts/content. Not concepts. #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:48
Grades inflate or deflate ego. Good feedback moves learning forward #bced
DMS_Principal
19:48
RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment "new" assessment practices #bced
lovedrummin
19:48
Paradigm shift! Why not have effort grades attached? #bced
amnewish
19:48
@DataDiva agreed but I am looking for better balance of form and summ and more variety of summ #bced
davidwees
19:48
Are there computerized assessment systems which are worth using? Can we assess for deep understanding w/ a computerized test? #BCed
8rinaldi
19:47
@Akevy613 @MrWejr We have to start young with no grades #bced
MrWejr
19:47
RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED
teachdiwa
19:47
RT @ajgadd: Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED
Edu_Trends
19:47
AFL has been around for quite awhile yet AOL still dominates classrooms in #bced. How do we change this? http://t.co/tzYld2Kq
MrWejr
19:47
@MKuniya yes, would LOVE to see more of that! (student-led conferences) #bced
davidwees
19:46
I've personally found the information I received from my students' "mastery" in the @KhanAcademy to be nearly useless. #BCed
MrWejr
19:46
@DataDiva Devil's Advocate - how often are you summatively assessed? #bced
blackspruce47
19:46
@stumpteacher Or for parents? #bced
remi_collins
19:46
Online Professional Book Talk With Grading Expert Ken O'Connor http://t.co/zinG3isz Fifteen Fixes for Broken Grades #bced
lovedrummin
19:46
RT @KathyPerret: @lovedrummin UBD is a great planning process with the "end in mind." #bced
kanisteacher
19:46
“@ajgadd: Oh, another good author to read up on this is Ken O'Connor. #BCED” He's great! And will answer yr questions too!
lovedrummin
19:46
RT @MrWejr: BOOM! Yes, move away from the fixed mindset! RT @KathyPerret: @cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced
KathyPerret
19:46
@lovedrummin UBD is a great planning process with the "end in mind." #bced
DMS_Principal
19:46
Formative assessments help identify the specific target area for an effective intervention to reach proficiency in struggling students #bced
8rinaldi
19:46
RT @davidwees: #BCed Our system aims to produce democratic citizens, but then gives almost no choice in what students learn, and how they demonstrate it.
lovedrummin
19:46
Assessment of/for learning should be happening all the time- doesn't have to be paper/pencil test. #bced
s2steacher
19:45
@bmooreintheloop @kanisteacher rasing the bar to each to Zone of Prox development . need to know each student = motivation to suceed #bced
Akevy613
19:45
@MrWejr hardly grade anything traditionally yet stu still ask is this4a grade unfortunately this idea of grades is engrained #bced #jedchat
teach4america
19:45
@davidwees: How will we assess our learning from #BCed ?

A: Self-assessment. What matters here is what we use, or share with others.
BOOM! Yes, move away from the fixed mindset! RT @KathyPerret: @cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced
@MrWejr someone has to open the door and take the lead. As long as we r there to learn and not judge .. I team teach and open my doors #BCed
MrWejr
19:45
Admin need to find creative ways to offer a SAFE environment for teachers to experiment and practice "new" assessment practices #BCED
kriceSD57
19:45
How about ss interviews for assessment? #bced
ajgadd
19:45
What do people feel is the role of things like the @KhanAcademy exercises in assessment for learning? Does it have a role? #BCed
lovedrummin
19:45
@davidwees Make it democratic by handing it over to them and allowing them to author their learning http://t.co/oCx3gmoE #BCed
davidwees
19:45
PLUG: Pumped to sit with @remi_collins @tomschimmer @davidwees @darcymullin + more at @EdCampfv on Dec 3 and talk more assessment #bced
andycinek
19:45
@gjbarmby We need to have more discussions with kids about what they need from a teacher #bced
MrWejr
19:45
As important as formative assessments are, summative shouldn't be eliminated. Who wants to stay perpetually in the batting cages? #bced
8rinaldi
19:45
RT @KathyPerret: @lovedrummin Are you familiar with the Understanding by Design planning approach? #bced Yes!
DataDiva
19:45
@cdsmeaton A growth mindset is a must! #bced
lovedrummin
19:44
“@kriceSD57: Welcome colleagues into our classrooms. Team tching too" my new vp is encouraging this. I hope to sit in on some classes. #bced
KathyPerret
19:44
RT @DataDiva: @lovedrummin because less than 20% of teacher prep programs provide advance coursework in assessment design #bced SAD!
kanisteacher
19:44
Oh, another good author to read up on this is Ken O'Connor. #BCED
lovedrummin
19:44
Q; how to broaden assessments to move beyond quiz quiz test to a variety of performance based assessments? Sticky pt for many #bced
ajgadd
19:44
AfL required rethinking about HOW you teach in the classroom. It requires a real shift in PEDAGOGY... it is NOT just a tool to add #bced
amnewish
19:44
@lovedrummin Are you familiar with the Understanding by Design planning approach? #bced
ajgadd
19:43
Don't forget BC boy @tomschimmer 's book "10 Things That Matter Abour Assessment and Grading" #bced (I am planning an AFL chat w him too)
KathyPerret
19:43
#BCed Our system aims to produce democratic citizens, but then gives almost no choice in what students learn, and how they demonstrate it.
MrWejr
19:43
Agree! RT @kanisteacher: @s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I think educating sts on the standards is important. #bced
davidwees
19:43
RT @edcamp_delta: Come&join the convos w/ 85+ ppl passionate abt educ Jan14 at DeltaSec. FREE reg at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #sd37 #DeltaBC #edcampdelta
bmooreintheloop
19:43
RT @MasteryConnect: Ever gone to a PTC and asked a teacher why your child had a poor grade and had the teacher respond "don't worry they'll be fine"? #bced
aakune
19:43
@s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I think educating sts on the standards is important. #bced
thegravelygroup
19:43
@davidwees by not making assessment final in your grading process. #bced
kanisteacher
19:43
@pmacoun Those using it in my school focus on the oral defense. Less on the grade and more on the authentic conversation. #bced
mnprincipal
19:42
RT @ajgadd: Try Shirley Clark's books... Anne Davies is another good one. Dylan Wiliam's Embedded Formative Assessment has a zillions gems in it. #bced
millerg6
19:42
Ss will ask why 2 RT @cdsmeaton: @kanisteacher 1 school have a core who used AFL. Pushed other Ts when parents asked why they didn't! #bced
MrWejr
19:42
@andycinek http://t.co/ERQEhtyf excellent..love it..perfect example of real life learning and assessment #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:42
Try Shirley Clark's books... Anne Davies is another good one. Dylan Wiliam's Embedded Formative Assessment has a zillions gems in it. #bced
8rinaldi
19:42
RT @edcamp_delta: Don't miss out on the best Pro-d has to offer! FREE signup 4 #edcampdelta at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #delearn #cpchat #edcampfv #edchat
ajgadd
19:42
@kriceSD57 teachers seem hesitant to enter other classrooms... is this the case in your school? #bced
aakune
19:42
RT @ajgadd: Professional Book Clubs are a great way to begin serious discussion and reflection. Wine and snacks goes a long way... #bced
MrWejr
19:42
The challenge is not to learn about AFL but to actually learn how to use it WITH students. #bced
davidwees
19:42
Professional Book Clubs are a great way to begin serious discussion and reflection. Wine and snacks goes a long way... #bced
MrWejr
19:42
Welcome colleagues into our classrooms. Team tching too“@MrWejr: How do we get these assessment practices into more classrooms??? #bced”
ajgadd
19:41
AFL has been around for quite awhile yet AOL still dominates classrooms in #bced. How do we change this?
kriceSD57
19:41
I think time needs to be set aside every week for teachers to discuss ss results from assessments. #bced
MrWejr
19:41
RT @jaimetong: how can students accept AFL practices when they know at the end of term, they'll receive a percent? it'd be great to change reporting.#bced
lovedrummin
19:41
@kriceSD57 @davidwees exactly! Our hands are tied by MOE guidelines. #bced
davidwees
19:41
Absolutely! @MrWejr #bced
kanisteacher
19:41
how can students accept AFL practices when they know at the end of term, they'll receive a percent? it'd be great to change reporting.#bced
amnewish
19:41
YES! More self assessment is key. More co-created criteria to build engagement and motivation is important. #bced
jaimetong
19:41
RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced
ajgadd
19:41
@Braddo @joe_bower We aren't using percentage grades at my school. Fairly progressive grading policy for us. #BCed
CptKudos
19:41
RT @paulgenge: RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/j5DJTrZK #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech #bced
davidwees
19:41
@MrWejr around the same time kids stop believing anything is possible and start to scratch their heads about what is #bced
DMS_Principal
19:40
@davidwees my Gr1s and I develop "anchor charts". Go over the 'why' and then fill in our jobs - 'the what'. #BCed
UMAKADIFF
19:40
RT @DMS_Principal: After tonight's chat, my goal is to facilitate the transition from teacher feedback to students being able to assess themselves
#bced
kriceSD57
19:40
@MrWejr Good question, that is still asked in 4th year university classes. Sad. #bced
2footgiraffe
19:40
RT @joe_bower: What has Finland *not* done? http://t.co/3V0cH7UC #Abed #bced #edchat #edtech
@kanisteacher One thing that I think needs to change is the focus on content heavy curriculum in high school from the MoE. #BCed
gjbarmby
19:40
Absolutely! At every chance. RT @s2steacher: @kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop shoud we be teaching students feeback language? #bced
paulgenge
19:40
Is this chat going to be archived? Wow-lots of information! #bced
davidwees
19:39
@amnewish all about how they are used #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:39
@cdsmeaton what's AFL? #bced
lovedrummin
19:39
#bced This yr my teachers are using KSA rubrics to self assess & reflect on their practice. Periodically this yr we will discuss.
MrWejr
19:39
@kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop shoud we be teaching students feeback language? #bced
kanisteacher
19:39
Teachers often ask me if formative assessments can become summative #bced
millerg6
19:39
How do we get these assessment practices into more classrooms??? #bced
s2steacher
19:39
Thanks for the ability to lurk and participate. Always learn! Good night! #bced
amnewish
19:39
RT @Wielinga1: I want passionate kids thus have I have to get out of the paradigm I was educated in. #BCEd
MrWejr
19:39
After tonight's chat, my goal is to facilitate the transition from teacher feedback to students being able to assess themselves
#bced
cdsmeaton
19:39
@lovedrummin because less than 20% of teacher prep programs provide advance coursework in assessment design #bced
lovedrummin
19:39
RT @MrWejr: At what point do we teach kids to ask "is this for marks?" #bced
DMS_Principal
19:39
@zbpipe It's only 10:40pm in Ontario! :) #BCed
RT @UMAKADIFF: @stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced
DataDiva
19:39
@davidwees my concern is in content heavy courses like SS11. How do you ensure sts learn when there are so many PLOs to get through? #bced
2footgiraffe
19:39
I want passionate kids thus have I have to get out of the paradigm I was educated in. #BCEd
davidwees
19:39
What a fantastic discussion about assessment practices. Trying to pull myself away from #BCed <-- getting late in this timezone. :(
Mitchell_Sharon
19:39
RT @KTVee: if schools could cut out data collected and unused, well, we'd find time to teach more things like science & social studies #BCed
kanisteacher
19:39
How doe we write assessments that are meaningful and gather data we need! What does that look like? ##bced
Wielinga1
19:39
RT @mnprincipal: @stumpteacher #bced assessment should be used by both student and teacher to help learning.
zbpipe
19:38
At what point do we teach kids to ask "is this for marks?" #bced
edtechninja
19:38
I'd like to know, how can we make the process of assessment more democratic? #BCed
lovedrummin
19:38
@stumpteacher #bced assessment should be used by both student and teacher to help learning.
stumpteacher
19:38
I truly believe most teachers do not know how to write great assessments. #bced
MrWejr
19:38
@ajgadd so way more peer/self assess and make it engaging so grades do not become the motivator #bced
davidwees
19:38
RT @davidwees: RT @kriceSD57: When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed”
mnprincipal
19:38
I think that if students assessed teachers more, then the teachers assessments would improve. #bced
lovedrummin
19:38
RT @davidwees: Here's one reason why I think percentage grades are problematic. They should have error bars! http://t.co/VDsqHLyn #BCed
MrWejr
19:38
@stumpteacher except that too many reject the info it tells them as teachers and instead rank/sort the kids on the data #bced
lovedrummin
19:37
@ajgadd require growth mindset not fixed mindset in education today. #bced
gjbarmby
19:37
RT @kriceSD57: When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed”
rileylark
19:37
It is important to plan your assessment before your unit, so that you are assessing for learning throughout the unit. #bced
UMAKADIFF
19:37
When will our reporting MATCH our assessments? “@davidwees: What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed”
cdsmeaton
19:37
@ajgadd interesting thought... here was my fave PE class "power of a Student Designed Curriculum" http://t.co/dxXDZPPo #bced
davidwees
19:37
@s2steacher I guess we should ask why S is always min meet. then make plan so S improves. Changing standards to fit S nixes standard #bced
lovedrummin
19:37
@Dwight_Carter We have 25 minutes left Dwight, feel free to participate. #BCed
kriceSD57
19:37
RT @Neilstephenson: .@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced
MrWejr
19:37
My assessment is far more "growth mindset" than "fixed", & it's helping all parties (parents & kids) understand that becomes paramount #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:37
@kanisteacher Saw 1 school have a core who practiced AFL. Pushed other teachers when parents started asking why they didn't! #bced
davidwees
19:37
RT @stumpteacher: Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced
mizminh
19:36
Sometimes we need to change our record keeping w/ our assessments and I don't think we are willing to do that. 4 walls in education! #bced
ajgadd
19:36
@s2steacher @bmooreintheloop I use feedback mainly. And mode in english to track growth. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:36
What are some questions we have about assessment? #BCed
mrsjoananderson
19:36
RT @MrWejr: I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced
lovedrummin
19:36
Here is an assessment I used that should be adopted and adapted more often http://t.co/uOST1wSs #BCed
kanisteacher
19:36
@kanisteacher Absolutely. #BCed
davidwees
19:36
RT @lovedrummin: To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced
MrBrownPE
19:35
#bced Curious: have your assessment practices inspired others to reconsider their assessments?
andycinek
19:35
% grades - how about the 0-69 is an F Really...that is HUGE span. #bced
davidwees
19:35
RT @cdsmeaton: @stumpteacher If it changes the practice to improve the learning- I can live with that! #bced
sherrattsam
19:34
Assessment for, of and during our teaching drives instruction, ongoing assess. sharpens our teaching and broadens students' learning #BCEd
kanisteacher
19:34
RT @davidwees Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed All the time!!!
lovedrummin
19:34
I think so - we need to be able to apply what we know - great question #bced @davidwees
millerg6
19:34
@javafest @Wielinga1 It's often a challenge because they are not used to it yet. But they will be if we all keep practicing! #bced
Wielinga1
19:34
Here's one reason why I think percentage grades are problematic. They should have error bars! http://t.co/VDsqHLyn #BCed
sherrattsam
19:34
@MrWejr If teaching PE again, how would you do it differently? Would you reject the 100 point scale? How'd you communicate to kids? #bced
amnewish
19:34
RT @davidwees: Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed
misssball
19:34
@kanisteacher @bmooreintheloop but what do we do with the student who is always min. meeting? how do we track their growth?#bced
davidwees
19:34
Don't miss out on the best Pro-d has to offer! FREE signup 4 #edcampdelta at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #delearn #cpchat #edcampfv #edchat
ajgadd
19:34
RT @stumpteacher: Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced
yorgus
19:34
@8rinaldi Agree #bced
s2steacher
19:33
@stumpteacher If it changes the practice to improve the learning- I can live with that! #bced
edcamp_delta
19:33
“@teachersharetp: RT @KTVee: without formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll nev… (cont) http://t.co/OoocQcy0” #BCED
CTAPinSK
19:33
Depends on how deeply we reflect on it! Will we take the time? “@davidwees: How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed”
Solitaryvox
19:33
Some fantastic ideas coming through #bced tonight on assessment and learning
cdsmeaton
19:33
@davidwees What did we take away from this hour? What did students take away from class? #bced
tchrlib
19:33
Most assessments are for teachers...not kids. #bced
kriceSD57
19:33
RT @MrWejr: I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced
lovedrummin
19:33
@davidwees Assessment without follow through is useless. I am going to put some of these ideas into action immediately! #bced
8rinaldi
19:33
What if we each created a blog post summarizing what we learned from this chat and shared it with the group later? #BCed
stumpteacher
19:32
I used to teach PE and by some miracle ended up with a decimal point in my assessment #howdIdothat #bced
Neilstephenson
19:32
RT @MrWejr: So class size is not getting smaller, time is not getting longer... so how can we assess better? #bced
DMS_Principal
19:32
Had stdnts who were uncomfortable w this! MT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes 4 more engaged stdnts #BCEd
davidwees
19:32
I'd love to see some sort of more formal system of assessment for learning develop for these chats. #BCed
MrWejr
19:32
@cdsmeaton and that likely yields multiple forms of info to share out = knowing more about what kids know/don't know #bced
janaslindsay
19:32
RT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd
javafest
19:32
@davidwees by self-reflection, connection with prior learning, further investigation #bced
davidwees
19:32
@trevorcassidy be sure to follow @d_martin05 and @davidwees #BCEd #edchat #mathchat
UMAKADIFF
19:31
@DMS_Principal Posting the learning goal & success criteria where self evaluate has dramatically improved quality of work in my class. #bced
lovedrummin
19:31
RT @cdsmeaton: Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced
phsprincipal
19:31
RT @cdsmeaton: Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced
MrWejr
19:31
RT @davidwees: How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed Ha...
elizabethsemple
19:31
RT @davidwees: #BCed MT @_Cuddlefish_: .@tantwy @davidwees @mrwejr assessment is daily. Even if it isn't formal such as a quiz.
lovedrummin
19:31
this is what my school has used to try an assess tchr collaboration: http://t.co/TDrQvCHO #bced
mnprincipal
19:31
RT @millerg6: #bced Competencies based learning means we should pay more attention to how we learn and less to what we learn.
Solitaryvox
19:31
@stefras It's cool, you are welcome to join us. :) #BCed
rdargis
19:30
Ever gone to a PTC and asked a teacher why your child had a poor grade and had the teacher respond "don't worry they'll be fine"? #bced
Neilstephenson
19:30
@bmooreintheloop @s2steacher agreed. We use ministry standards/rubrics. Trying to fit our practices w/I ministry language. #bced
kriceSD57
19:30
How will we assess our learning from this chat? #BCed
davidwees
19:30
@s2steacher when defining the standard? like in cases with special needs? or when defining criteria? #bced
MasteryConnect
19:30
@MrWejr Agreed! Start them young! #bced
kanisteacher
19:30
You got it! I'm doing this with my grade 1s“@Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students.#BCEd”
davidwees
19:30
@millerg6 I used to use Layered Curriculum but stooped bc of focus on grades. How do you manage it? #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:30
@Wielinga1 I could not agree more! Engagement is a prerequisite to learning! #bced
amnewish
19:30
RT @trevorcassidy: #BCEd looking to build repertoire of formative assessment techniques specific to math, suggestions? #edchat #mathchat
kriceSD57
19:30
Great teachers utilize multiple strategies of assessments. #bced
pmacoun
19:30
RT @Wielinga1: Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd
DMS_Principal
19:30
@lovedrummin With a class of hundreds of students, I think they would be a god-send. #BCed
lbingley
19:30
Come&join the convos w/ 85+ ppl passionate abt educ Jan14 at DeltaSec. FREE reg at http://t.co/YrolL9us #bced #sd37 #DeltaBC #edcampdelta
cdsmeaton
19:29
#bced Competencies based learning means we should pay more attention to how we learn and less to what we learn.
8rinaldi
19:29
It doesn't have to be all "formal" Use what will help answer questions and drive instruction to a deeper level. #bced
davidwees
19:29
RT @lovedrummin: 4 corners game is gather information as well. #bced Yep.play it with music symbols or inst. pics in corners instead of nos
edcamp_delta
19:29
@bmooreintheloop I think the stdnts ability should be considered #bced
millerg6
19:29
@lovedrummin I found them painful to form the questions in advance, and it always took too long to set them up. #BCed
lovedrummin
19:29
How about bell ringers as an assessment? #bced
OrffSitedotCom
19:29
@lovedrummin You can only efficiently ask multiple choice questions with clickers. #BCed
s2steacher
19:29
Giving students more choice in their learning makes for more engaged students. #BCEd
davidwees
19:29
@martinj09 if she had only given feedback, I would have no reason to FF #bced
lovedrummin
19:29
#BCEd two stars one wish, any other suggestions for peer to peer feedback? #edchat #mathchat
davidwees
19:29
@davidwees Agreed - but if you have clickers why not use them for instant feedback. #bced
Wielinga1
19:28
@s2steacher I think students and teacher together - based on ministry standards... thoughts? #bced
MrWejr
19:28
@martinj09 that is when it become powerful... remember at UVIC when prof used to tape the feedback, I FF'd to the grade #bced
trevorcassidy
19:28
.@MKuniya and the goals are clear and visible. So important (Hattie) #bced
lovedrummin
19:28
@lovedrummin She also occasionally uses the thumbs up, thumbs middle, thumbs down system. #BCed
bmooreintheloop
19:28
@Neilstephenson I think that is one of many 21st century competences we should be assessing. #bced
MrWejr
19:28
@KTVee data is smthng that districts will never give up.Sometimes 2 much emphasis is placed on quantative & not enough on qualitative.#BCed
Neilstephenson
19:28
@bmooreintheloop who determines what is standard? #bced
davidwees
19:28
@lovedrummin My colleague uses mini-whiteboards and has students each share their ideas. Much easier, cheaper, and still effective. #BCed
millerg6
19:28
@cdsmeaton What is definition of effective schools? Best test scores? #bced
kriceSD57
19:28
@DMS_Principal @lovedrummin Allowing student choice improves relevance. Important for engagement. #bced #hs4
s2steacher
19:28
#BCEd looking to build repertoire of formative assessment techniques specific to math, suggestions? #edchat #mathchat
davidwees
19:27
@Neilstephenson This can be very powerful for students. They see that you value their input. #bced
8rinaldi
19:27
Which isn't good. they should be accurate. If not = they don't get standard? RT @s2steacher: Ss often harder on thmslvs than we are #bced
cdsmeaton
19:27
@MrWejr what if we remove the number? Use some kind of desciptor instead? #bced
trevorcassidy
19:27
How many teachers are stuck in an "agentic state"? #abed #edchat #edtech #bced
MKuniya
19:27
@davidwees absolutely... that is where criteria is so important... #BCed
bmooreintheloop
19:27
@lovedrummin I found that with a small class (less than 20) the clickers were unnecessary. #BCed
martinj09
19:27
RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed
joe_bower
19:27
should we assess collaboration? with students and teachers? #bced
MrWejr
19:27
I'd like to try this strategy with adults too RT @Neilstephenson: design assessment criteria with kids....#bced
davidwees
19:27
RT @DataDiva: @MrWejr that is exactly why I advocate for Quality Rubrics. W/o them, you're forcing students to depend on adults for feedback #bced
gallit_z
19:27
@MrWejr Yes, and also a powerful way to engage students. Non-writers are now excited to put their ideas down. #bced
Neilstephenson
19:26
RT @DMS_Principal: A menu of assessment types is important. Allow students options to demonstrate their understanding. Increases motivation/ownership #bced
zbpipe
19:26
@mramidon Agreed!! #bced
gallit_z
19:26
@8rinaldi @MrWejr Exactly! Change teaching style. #bced
millerg6
19:26
How about clickers in the classroom to get instant feedback? #bced
lovedrummin
19:26
A menu of assessment types is important. Allow students options to demonstrate their understanding. Increases motivation/ownership #bced
2footgiraffe
19:26
RT @2footgiraffe: #bced My son came home with a 95% on a test a while back. "Great son, but what did you learn?" - "I don't know dad"
cdsmeaton
19:26
@mamouton1 I like the "start with a few and let it spread"... once it is done well, you cannot argue with it! #bced
lovedrummin
19:26
Use google survey as well - again quick fast way to assess knowledge. #bced
DMS_Principal
19:26
@2footgiraffe Yuck!! #bced
MrWejr
19:26
if schools could cut out data collected and unused, well, we'd find time to teach more things like science & social studies #BCed
MrWejr
19:26
@MrWejr Change teaching style..student led projects, setting goals and own assessment #bced
lovedrummin
19:26
Effective schools correlate- Frequent monitoring of student progress. Can't disagree with 50+ years of research. #hs4 #bced
mramidon
19:26
If what you know is less important than what you can with what you know, does this change our assessment? #BCed
KTVee
19:26
I have ss blog as well - I gather huge amount of info through that #bced
8rinaldi
19:25
design assessment criteria with kids.. send it home with parent. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:25
#bced My son came home with a 95% on a test a while back. "Great son, but what did you learn?" - "I don't know dad"
davidwees
19:25
@elizabethsemple Same goes for me G!1s and 12! #bced
lovedrummin
19:25
@MrWejr I think principal or designee needs to become expert on a campus to teach teachers then pilot it with a few and let it spread #bced
Neilstephenson
19:25
By getting them to define it RT @MasteryConnect: goal = to define what Ss know / understand. How can you address S needs otherwise? #bced
2footgiraffe
19:25
@amnewish need to start them young! #bced
Solitaryvox
19:25
Just logged into Kidblog and see that 6 kids have been on this evening. So cool. Lots of posts and comments to approve - so cool! #bced
mamouton1
19:25
@MasteryConnect I also think we need to know what students can do with what they know. #BCed
bmooreintheloop
19:25
@millerg6 blogging can be a very powerful peer assessment tool #bced
MrWejr
19:25
Supporting kids to become effective at self and peer assessment... Gradual release #bced
kelownagurl
19:25
students are often harder on themselves than we are #bced
davidwees
19:25
@gjbarmby @lovedrummin Much, much, much harder, definitely. I just found a bunch of examples today. #BCed
MrWejr
19:25
#bced Through Kidblog out gr. 4-6 students are receiving excellent feedback from students & educators around the world. http://t.co/dgo5OdQT
amnewish
19:24
Project based, student led makes assessing easier..they set the goals and assess as going along #bced
s2steacher
19:24
@elizabethsemple @mrwejr LOL I use 2 stars and a wish with my grade 12s! Plus I live 3-2-1s. Great formative assessment. #bced
davidwees
19:24
Ultimately our goal should be to define what students know and understand. How can you address student needs otherwise? #bced
millerg6
19:24
Hardly ever, unfortunately. MT @MrWejr: Do we model AFL in professional learning (pro-d)? #bced
8rinaldi
19:24
RT @Neilstephenson: read a tweet once I really liked: The difference btw formative and summative is what you do with the data. #bced
kanisteacher
19:24
@davidwees Assessment without learning...Unfortunately, all the time! #bced
MasteryConnect
19:24
@kriceSD57 i like that - more choice #bced
davidwees
19:24
“@MrWejr: If you put a number beside the feedback, you lose value in the feedback. Students don't look at it. #bced” good pnt!
gallit_z
19:24
I believe assessment can happen and no learning - that is why you have assess throughout to see what is being learned #bced
phsprincipal
19:24
@davidwees Isn't that standardized tests? :) #bced
MrWejr
19:24
@davidwees @lovedrummin I like that idea a lot. Chances are they made the test harder than you would have?? #bced
gallit_z
19:24
Something needs to change, doesn't it? “@MrWejr: so how can we assess better? #bced” I'm playing with the structure of my class -more choice
lovedrummin
19:24
Do we model AFL in professional learning (pro-d)? #bced
stumpteacher
19:23
“@davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed” not enough time :(
gjbarmby
19:23
Is it possible for assessment to occur, but no learning? #BCed
kriceSD57
19:23
@elizabethsemple I use 2 stars and a wish with report card feedback for teachers too #bced
MrWejr
19:23
I assign the skills to practice, they create the project, they self-assess, I read their self-assess. Good feedback loop #bced
gallit_z
19:23
@mamouton1 agree so what can we do to help? #bced
davidwees
19:23
@MrWejr Some of the most valuable assessment in my primary class is peer "2 stars & a wish" immediately after learning. #bced
MrWejr
19:23
Principal James Hansen Doncaster Elem. explains importance of making math meaningful. Great job James! #bced #yyj
misssball
19:23
#BCed MT @erikkoenke: @davidwees yes on my papers from good profs. and classmates, always helpful.
MrWejr
19:22
RT @kanisteacher: @martinj09 agreed. Sts should be able to explain yr assessment practices. #bced
elizabethsemple
19:22
Student assessment=ownership. #BCEd
BCSTA_President
19:22
@stumpteacher @davidwees my point (hastily tweeted) is that asmt at ground level looks different than asmt at 10,000 feet #bced
davidwees
19:22
RT @lovedrummin: To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced
gallit_z
19:22
@mrjtyler I made the mistake of moving away from grades and numbers and not communicating this well with parents #bced
Wielinga1
19:22
@MrWejr I still think teachers would think time is issue you have to take time to teach model and assess the student feedback process #bced
DataDiva
19:22
To assess at the end of the project is too late. #bced
davidwees
19:22
RT @KTVee: writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed
MrWejr
19:22
“@gjbarmby: @kriceSD57 #bced Agree, students need to be a part of the process.” yes &I have found that they are really honest when they do
mamouton1
19:22
RT @davidwees: RT @bmooreintheloop: Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation Outstanding! #bced
lovedrummin
19:22
@MrWejr grt point, parent engagement and peer assessment can be 2 great ways #bced
EdTechHawkeye
19:22
RT @cdsmeaton: @teachingtammy @MrWejr Agreed but are we still teaching like we did when we had 15-20 students? If so... #bced
gallit_z
19:22
@lovedrummin I had a project once where I had students each build a test w/ answer key. That was their assessment. #BCed
DMS_Principal
19:21
writing lesson plans without using formative assessment is like grocery shopping w/o list; u'll never get what you went in for #BCed
mrjtyler
19:21
@teachingtammy @MrWejr Agreed but are we still teaching like we did when we had 15-20 students? If so... #bced
MrWejr
19:21
So class size is not getting smaller, time is not getting longer... so how can we assess better? #bced
davidwees
19:21
Teachers are not the only ones who can assess, we can't underestimate our students. #BCEd
KTVee
19:21
.@davidwees yes. My parents love to sign off on their kids' corrected quizzes. They give them replacement qs etc. it's awesome. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:21
Timeliness is critical - feedback works when kids have opportunities to use it to improve #bced
MrWejr
19:21
RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed
Wielinga1
19:21
RT @bmooreintheloop: Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation @davidwees #BCed
_Cuddlefish_
19:21
Sometimes I make an assignment that involves parental assessment conversation @davidwees #BCed
amnewish
19:21
@MrWejr class size is a huge barrier. How to get sufficient time to connect w each kiddo when trying to teach 25-30? #BCEd
PreventBullying
19:21
RT @KTVee: @MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed
davidwees
19:21
“@cdsmeaton: @UMAKADIFF It needs to drive learning and teaching throughout the process. #bced” agree!
bmooreintheloop
19:20
RT @kriceSD57: YES!!! “@MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced” #bced
teachingtammy
19:20
To involve students in assessing themselves need lots of exemplars of varying quality that they can refer too. #BCed
davidwees
19:20
@MrWejr exactly. gotta stop asking kids to "do stuff" to "get grades" & slow down so they can think deeply, develop ideas, and LEARN #BCed
gallit_z
19:20
@MrWejr that is exactly why I advocate for Quality Rubrics. W/o them, you're forcing students to depend on adults for feedback #bced
DMS_Principal
19:20
@mamouton1 so what if we taught kids to assess themselves better, would time still be a huge issue? #bced
pmacoun
19:20
Layered Curriculum and it's oral defense is one form of authentic assessment. Brings in DI, Blooms as well. http://t.co/HADn0gQN #bced
KTVee
19:20
How many of us have had parents help in the assessment process? Can they help? #BCed
DataDiva
19:20
Think about assessment (in a natural sense) and learning as continuous, side by side, especially if student learns self-assessment.
#bced
MrWejr
19:20
YES!!! “@MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced”
millerg6
19:19
Learners need to OWN the Assessment - RT @MrWejr: We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced
davidwees
19:19
@kanisteacher @MrWejr me too (+ AP courses). But this is the type of feedback that is most useful. #bced
teach4america
19:19
“@kriceSD57: @MrWejr students MUST be a part of it. How else do they know what to work on? #BCed” yes!!
@cdsmeaton YES! parents need to be in the conversation... #bced
kriceSD57
19:19
@kanisteacher Then we need to change the way we provide feedback so time is not the enemy. #bced
bmooreintheloop
19:19
@davidwees assessment should be used to draw the learning roadmap; u can get off path QUICKLY, so it must be timely #BCed
misssball
19:19
@davidwees critical if the intent is to inform the learning/instruction - useless if too much time passes before stud. can respond #bced
gallit_z
19:19
.@cdsmeaton did you not read my earlier tweets? Of course. #bced #edchat
MrWejr
19:19
@MrWejr agreed. We've developed "Fix this" sheets for English. No grade just feedback #bced
cdsmeaton
19:19
Assessment is process, it guides teaching and learning. Assessment has to be ongoing to have any benefit to anyone. #BCEd
KTVee
19:19
RT @davidwees: @tantwy @MrWejr Anecdotal observations, self-assessment, peer assessment, writing samples, exit slips, etc... all forms of assessment. #BCed
UMAKADIFF
19:19
@kriceSD57 @cdsmeaton @davidwees timing can be staggered as stdnts learn to self assess looking at the criteria #BCed
_Cuddlefish_
19:19
@MrWejr I would say the biggest obstacle is time. #bced
kanisteacher
19:19
Has anyone here received feedback more than a week late and found it to be useful? #BCed
Wielinga1
19:19
RT @martinj09: Also a balance of formative and assessment tasks so students are provided a range of feedback and realize it is a process #bced
gallit_z
19:19
We need to stop thinking that we (teachers) are the only ones who can assess #bced
s2steacher
19:19
RT @cdsmeaton: @8rinaldi Need parents and community to understand purpose of assessment. Can't be like it was in the good old days. #bced
mamouton1
19:19
@8rinaldi I'm not in the same situation now, much, much easier to do self-assessment w/ my students. #BCed
davidwees
19:18
@_Cuddlefish_ That's the test but lots of do overs before you take the test! #bced
gallit_z
19:18
@MrWejr Time is my biggest barrier. Teaching eng 10, ss11 and Hist 12. Difficult to provide authentic and meaningful feedback . #bced
MrWejr
19:18
@davidwees timeliness is extremely important. That's the hard part though. I try to stick to a 48hr return policy #bced
KTVee
19:18
RT @joe_bower: Assessment is not a spreadsheet - it's a conversation. #abed #edchat #bced #edtech
davidwees
19:18
What amount of classrooms in #bced schools use AFL as the main form of assessment - high, med, low?
cdsmeaton
19:18
RT @CarrieCoxStuart: Learning must not END with assessment. Students must learn FROM assessments as well. I like test corrections (separate grade) #bced #edchat
kanisteacher
19:18
@davidwees I know it takes time and effort but worth it in end..good luck! #bced
misssball
19:18
Timeline of feedback needs to be instant. #bced
KTVee
19:18
RT @cdsmeaton: @MrWejr there has to be a purpose. how does it change my teaching to improve student learning. #bced
MrWejr
19:18
.@Neilstephenson there is no do over the last time you jump from that plane #edchat #bced
gallit_z
19:18
Assessment is a process , not a given test! #bced
8rinaldi
19:18
@cdsmeaton @davidwees I try to stagger my asses. it requires me to change the way I teach. Try to create independent learners. #BCed
lovedrummin
19:18
How important is the timeliness of the feedback/assessment to the learning process? #BCed
gallit_z
19:17
at secondary, all AFL should revolve around self-reflection #bced
_Cuddlefish_
19:17
RT @davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed
lovedrummin
19:17
#bced agreed that ongoing assessment is key-what about 2 way assessment? Interested if many teachers get structured feedback from students?
kriceSD57
19:17
RT @Neilstephenson: our PE teacher is right now interviewing and recording conversations with 300 stdnts. That's his report card comments. #bced
davidwees
19:17
@Neilstephenson agreed! important not to get hung up on the definition but to focus on intent - time of the assessment is key #bced
misssball
19:17
@davidwees We need to do things differently and that is a great example you provide. #bced
acaryamjr
19:17
No. Assessment by self/peers/staff is feedback to make improvements or changes. Re: @davidwees Can learning occur w/o assessment? #BCed
mrjtyler
19:17
@8rinaldi Good self-assessment takes some self-direction, which my students at the time were still building. #BCed
michelleleandra
19:17
Amen!RT @lovedrummin: It all comes back to public perception of "testing" -rank! We need to change perception #bced
UMAKADIFF
19:16
What if we gave less assignments and spent more time on assessment (self, peer). Go deeper. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:16
“@martinj09: Transperancy is key so students understand what is being assessed. Criterion referenced works well. #bced” agree :)
javafest
19:16
It all comes back to public perception of "testing" -rank! We need to change perception #bced
davidwees
19:16
@cdsmeaton Yeah definitely. That's what I ended up doing. I also gave some feedback to groups instead of individuals. #BCed
phsprincipal
19:16
our PE teacher is right now interviewing and recording conversations with 300 stdnts. That's his report card comments. #bced
MrWejr
19:16
RT @MrWejr: Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced
gallit_z
19:16
@davidwees hand some over to students..assess themselves #bced
lovedrummin
19:16
@MrWejr so true. Then it is all about grades rather than the learning. #bced
davidwees
19:16
RT @stumpteacher: @MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced
Neilstephenson
19:16
Too often assessment is the end of the process. It narrows the learning. If learners are self-directed, assessment has to be ongoing #bced
gallit_z
19:16
.@MrWejr #edchat #bced I wish I had more time to go over each student's work more thoroughly both alone and with them.
8rinaldi
19:15
@davidwees But maybe we don't have to give all 34 feedback at once. Stagger? #bced
misssball
19:15
@stumpteacher not sure I agree. A small (teeny tiny) slice of the assessment pie needs to be unrelated to direct teaching/learning. #bced
ryflinn
19:15
RT @MrWejr: Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced
phsprincipal
19:15
@cdsmeaton absolutely! No surprises doesn't mean no exploration or discovery - just means clarity of purpose/intent #bced
_Cuddlefish_
19:15
Assessment should be multi-directional too. Teacher-teacher, student-student, teacher-student and student-teacher. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:15
read a tweet once I really liked: The difference btw formative and summative is what you do with the data. #bced
DataDiva
19:15
RT @davidwees: It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed
ryflinn
19:15
If you put a number beside the feedback, you lose value in the feedback. Students don't look at it. #bced
UMAKADIFF
19:15
It's hard to give quality feedback to students when you have 34 of them in a classroom (I've tried). #BCed
gjbarmby
19:15
I think that comes in clearly defined "I can" statements. It sets forth what the learner should be able to do. #bced
Neilstephenson
19:15
my teacher prep program (u of calgary) has had no grades for 10 years. Mixed reaction - now moving back to grades #bced
mbteachers
19:15
@davidwees I think feedback and reflection are a must in order for learning to occur. #bced
MrWejr
19:14
Even a standardized test eventually informs a learner, even if only very indirectly through their district or teacher. #BCed
davidwees
19:14
So we r all in agreement here so far that assessment needs 2 be ongoing feedback... so what r the barriers to this in every classroom? #bced
lovedrummin
19:14
RT @darcymullin: YEP! Yet another great post. RT @johnnybevacqua: Gr8 post.Who do you work for? |http://t.co/0oa8aGIA by @jmclean77 #bced #cpchat #edchat
Neilstephenson
19:14
@martinj09 agreed. Sts should be able to explain yr assessment practices. #bced
kanisteacher
19:14
Any assessment needs to be conversation either in person or written as meaningful narrative #bced
davidwees
19:14
@kriceSD57 #bced Agree, students need to be a part of the process.
MrWejr
19:14
What does the data from assessments tell you? How do you change your instruction from that data? #bced
BettyAnnX11
19:14
@gallit_z feedback was student to student, teacher to teacher, student to teacher---the growth was evident but hard to formally assess #bced
kanisteacher
19:13
@UMAKADIFF It needs to drive learning and teaching throughout the process. #bced
8rinaldi
19:13
RT @UMAKADIFF: @stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced
gjbarmby
19:13
#BCed MT @_Cuddlefish_: .@tantwy @davidwees @mrwejr assessment is daily. Even if it isn't formal such as a quiz.
lovedrummin
19:13
@tantwy @MrWejr I see assessment as, that which is done by/for a learner that guides their learning. #BCed
phsprincipal
19:13
AFL - Learning Intentions, Criteria, Feedback , Powerful Questions , Self and Peer Assessment. #bced
cdsmeaton
19:13
we have to look/assess students on their own learning continuum #bced
MrWejr
19:13
Service learning is a great way to have students self-assess. Good community based projects are self-regulating too. #bced
davidwees
19:13
RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed
davidwees
19:13
@stumpteacher or as Lorna Earl says "assessment is too valuable to waste by leaving it to the end" #bced
MrWejr
19:12
RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd
s2steacher
19:12
@MrWejr students MUST be a part of it. How else do they know what to work on? #BCed
gjbarmby
19:12
RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd
gallit_z
19:12
@tantwy @MrWejr Anecdotal observations, self-assessment, peer assessment, writing samples, exit slips, etc... all forms of assessment. #BCed
UMAKADIFF
19:12
@8rinaldi Need parents and community to understand purpose of assessment. Can't be like it was in the good old days. #bced
gallit_z
19:12
Where does standards based grading fit into Formative Assessment? #bced
kriceSD57
19:12
Also a balance of formative and assessment tasks so students are provided a range of feedback and realize it is a process #bced
robinhosemann
19:12
@lovedrummin I think we can accomplish that while maintaining professional jargon. We need to help public see diff. betwn asset & test #bced
davidwees
19:12
RT @davidwees: Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed
cdsmeaton
19:12
@MrWejr @gjbarmby I think any descriptor/judgement by a teacher is interpreted by students as a 'grade' #bced
lovedrummin
19:12
@davidwees @MrWejr i must say, as a parent, i don't really understand the scope of assessment - daily, exams, fsa, other? #BCed
martinj09
19:12
in Search of the Big Book Experience http://t.co/TbaBGyIK Do you do the BigBook? #bced #1stchat #kinderchat #ece
DataDiva
19:12
@8rinaldi purpose purpose purpose #bced
gallit_z
19:11
“@phsprincipal: Just finished a school wide project with no formal grades..." #bced So how did you assess learning? Just comments?
pmacoun
19:11
Learning must not END with assessment. Students must learn FROM assessments as well. I like test corrections (separate grade) #bced #edchat
tantwy
19:11
RT @stumpteacher: @MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced
mathmurd
19:11
@MrWejr @gjbarmby parents see them as grades & what do they really Mean? #bced
MrWejr
19:11
@MrWejr there has to be a purpose. how does it change my teaching to improve student learning. #bced
gallit_z
19:11
Exactly - how are you using the data to drive instruction? #bced
CarrieCoxStuart
19:11
@MrWejr yes! I dig the coach analogy. Ongoing learning, not just a one shot deal. #BCEd
MrWejr
19:11
@MrWejr If it doesn't lead to improved teaching or improved student learning. Assessment/observing is pointless #bced
8rinaldi
19:11
Can we improve in what we do without feedback on what we've done? #BCed
cdsmeaton
19:11
@lovedrummin I agree about changing the wording. #BCed
lovedrummin
19:11
@s2steacher interesting because I do not always feel an A is exceeding IMO #bced
teachingtammy
19:10
Is it possible for learning to occur without some sort of assessment? #BCed
stumpteacher
19:10
Lots of talk re why of AFL - here is one way of HOW in brief: http://t.co/1gKEH3Bj #bced
davidwees
19:10
How about common assessments throughout district to gain knowledge of learners and drive instruction? #bced
kriceSD57
19:10
Transperancy is key so students understand what is being assessed. Criterion referenced works well. #bced
MrWejr
19:10
An assessment policy is only as good as to how it is followed. #bced
davidwees
19:10
RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed
bmooreintheloop
19:10
Assessing and observing is great but the key questions: what are you doing with it? what are students doing with it? #bced
lovedrummin
19:10
@DataDiva good point. I was thinking more outsider. This video. Is it assessment or learning? http://t.co/LDU4mqZk #bced
martinj09
19:10
#bced @davidwees @gjbarmby you got it-> plenty of asses.My gr1s are able 2 tell me what they need to work on.They are almost always bang on!
cdsmeaton
19:10
@davidwees By the progress toward the goal and the final products. We built trebuchets, wrote and perfd plays, made food, promoted.etc #bced
lmockford
19:10
@MrWejr @gjbarmby exceeding is like an 'A' overheard at my school #bced
MrWejr
19:10
.@kanisteacher @davidwees great q! Some of my colleagues HATE my summative assessment practices when they get the kid next yr #edchat #bced
Neilstephenson
19:10
@davidwees true on the assessment piece, and the learning happens all the time. But 'Is this going to be on the test?' #bced
kriceSD57
19:10
@dgburris I don't have any specific links atm, but I can probably share some policies. #BCed
phsprincipal
19:10
RT @Neilstephenson: i love the assessment as performances of understanding from the Harvard Teaching for Understanding framework: http://t.co/fNBl7rex #bced
s2steacher
19:10
Great resource for assessment in AB http://t.co/63AQZEPm #bced
_Cuddlefish_
19:10
4 corners game is gather information as well. #bced
gjbarmby
19:10
Don't forget the #BCed hashtag. :)
davidwees
19:09
RT @davidwees: I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed
lmockford
19:09
RT @lovedrummin: I think the word assessmnt/testing needs to be changed. We need to evaluate for understanding to create deeper learning opportunities #bced
cdsmeaton
19:09
@kanisteacher No assessment policy is an assessment policy, of sorts. It says, "Do whatever you want." #BCed
lovedrummin
19:09
Ticket in the door/out the door is "gathering information" or assessing - it doesn't have to be nail biting. #bced
davidwees
19:09
@Neilstephenson it's interesting to think about who "you" is. An observer, sure. But I would hope the teacher would see difference #bced
TeacherCast
19:09
@gjbarmby interesting thought... we have "not yet meeting", "fully meeting", "exceeding" in elem - are these like grades? #bced
Neilstephenson
19:09
@davidwees what if there is no school wide policy? How do you encourage that discussion w/o alienating staff? #bced
davidwees
19:09
I think the word assessmnt/testing needs to be changed. We need to evaluate for understanding to create deeper learning opportunities #bced
lovedrummin
19:09
@davidwees But is it the right assessment. Are we impacting their learning or stopping it altogether. #bced
DataDiva
19:08
@davidwees do you have an example of some assessment polices? #BCed
MrWejr
19:08
RT @gjbarmby: Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd
kanisteacher
19:08
@phsprincipal And how did they assess progress w/o grades? #BCed
lovedrummin
19:08
RT @davidwees: Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed
cdsmeaton
19:08
.@davidwees @neilstephenson @mrwejr true, and I want them to know the difference. Like the packing parachute example. ;) #bced #edchat
dgburris
19:08
@gjbarmby There may not be grades in the elementary school level, but there is plenty of assessment. #BCed
pmacoun
19:08
I love the idea of being a coach for assessment - ongoing feedback based on observations #bced
davidwees
19:07
Interesting that we start with no grades (elem) and end with no grades (PHD), why so 'assessment based' in the middle #BCEd
rwd01
19:07
I've often noted that if you know what a school's policy is on assessment, you know an awful lot about what type of school it is. #BCed
_Cuddlefish_
19:07
RT @philmcrae: 52% of Twitter users don't consider legal implications of tweets. Defamation cases doubling! tinyurl.com/5u2gvgr #abed #bced #edchat
davidwees
19:07
@_Cuddlefish_ if we think of asst FOR learning as when the most important coaching takes place, the game becomes less painful for s's #bced
MrWejr
19:07
Also instruction. I think we need to find forms of assessment where we can understand everyone's level of understanding #bced
gjbarmby
19:06
#bced Supt from AB lurking for 1st time as well.
davidwees
19:06
Please, feel free to join in on the #BCed chat on assessment & learning. We are all learners here. :) #BCed
Viadbe
19:06
@_Cuddlefish_ @Neilstephenson @mrwejr Both are learning experiences too though, right? #BCed
MrWejr
19:06
I believe all forms of assessment should drive the curriculum and the educator. #bced
lovedrummin
19:06
@davidwees Just finished a school wide project with no formal grades. The kids and teachers were constantly looking to assess progress #bced
cdsmeaton
19:06
RT @davidwees: Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight.
davidwees
19:06
Following/lurking the chat on learning and assessment #bced
davidwees
19:05
“@lovedrummin: Lurking in the #BCed chat tonight for the first time.”me too
lovedrummin
19:05
.@Neilstephenson @davidwees @mrwejr I disagree somewhat. There is a difference between practice and "the game" #bced #edchat
phsprincipal
19:05
Hrmm. I should use "broadly defining" instead of "broadly definition." See, I've learned! #BCed
MrWejr
19:05
i love the assessment as performances of understanding from the Harvard Teaching for Understanding framework: http://t.co/fNBl7rex #bced
kanisteacher
19:05
@lovedrummin I am also a 1st time #bced chat lurker!
gallit_z
19:05
RT @Neilstephenson: .@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced
_Cuddlefish_
19:04
I think it is worth broadly definition assessment as feedback to the learner. Hence, learning can occur with self-assessment. #BCed
davidwees
19:04
Lurking in the #BCed chat tonight for the first time.
Neilstephenson
19:04
RT @joe_bower: Betraying my students with standards http://t.co/PFxgNqmM by @markbarnes19 #edchat #abed #bced
kriceSD57
19:03
RT @DataDiva: @davidwees cant make chat. My $.02: learning isn't in doing alone We learn by doing-assessing-doing differently Can't have 1 w/o other #BCed
davidwees
19:03
Also, if your account is set to private, set it to public for the duration of the chat so we can all see your tweets. #BCed
davidwees
19:03
.@davidwees @MrWejr i think we've getting it right when you can't tell the difference between assessment and learning #bced
lovedrummin
19:02
Make sure to include the hashtag #BCed somewhere in your tweets, otherwise no one else can see them.
KThomtweets
19:02
RT @davidwees: Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight. #edchat
davidwees
19:02
Starting a chat about the link between learning and assessment. #BCed @MrWejr and myself are moderators for tonight.
davidwees
19:02
Designing and assessing hands-on learning: http://t.co/Y7vCQMdw #bced
Neilstephenson
19:02
RT @joe_bower: Assessment is not a spreadsheet - it's a conversation. #abed #edchat #bced #edtech
davidwees
19:02
RT @kriceSD57: #BCed chat in 5 min - "the relationship between assessment and learning"
lovedrummin
19:02
#BCed chat in 5 min - "the relationship between assessment and learning"
davidwees
19:01
@DataDiva Thanks for your feedback, I'll make sure to retweet it during the conversation. #BCed
Neilstephenson
19:01
West Vancouver Teachers - Ride To Conquer Cancer, Ride A Thon. 64 riders + 8 Hrs + 200 KM = 1 Goal #bced #RTCC #Northshorenews #vancouversun